Oldest R21 Classic?

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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby Larry H on Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:22 pm

Here is what BoatUS says about the HIN.
HINs By The Numbers

A typical hull identification number (HIN) consists of 12 letters and numbers, as in ABC12345D404.

Here's what the letters and numbers mean:

ABC: This is the U.S. Coast Guard-assigned manufacturer identification code (MIC). Go to the USCG Manufacturers Indentification page to access the Coast Guard's MIC database.

12345: This is the serial number assigned to the hull by the manufacturer. This may be a combination of letters and numbers. The letters "I," "O," and "Q" are excluded because they could be mistaken for numbers.

D: This is the month of certification, indicating the month in which construction began. "A" represents January and "L" represents December. In our example, "D" means April.

4: This is the year of certification. The number is the last digit of the year in which the boat was built. "4" in this case designates 2004.

04: This indicates the boat's model year.


The above is from this site: https://www.boatus.com/magazine/2017/february/hull-identification-numbers.asp
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby cracker39 on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:12 pm

OK - so now I really wonder about how to interpret the 592? If the “92” represents the model year, how do you interpret the “5”? I know for a fact that my boat was delivered to the original owner in July 1992. As for the “026”, it would still appear that the manufacturer could assign any feature to these numbers that he wanted to.

I have a letter verifying that an R21 was delivered in March of 1991. So, if that boat was molded in February of 1991, it would mean that 30 boats were moulded in the intervening 15 months, or an average of two per month. That further implies that as many as 20 - 22 R21s could have been moulded in 1991.

To put another question to bed, the R21-EC was introduced early in 2006.
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby Wildog69 on Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:46 pm

The cable steering controls both the helm in the cabin, but also controls the one in the rear. When one helm moves, the other follows. It makes it nice controlling the steerage of the boat while setting on the rear cushion. Just wish it had a way to control the engine. I still have to go into the cabin to control the engine.
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby cracker39 on Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:47 am

I’m still waiting for more serial numbers and further discussion of what the numbers really mean.
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby Wildog69 on Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:07 pm

Can anyone tell me what anchor was used on the Classic 21's. Mine is a 1995, named the Evergreen. I'll post hull # when I get back to the boat. I understand it was a claw anchor, but was wondering the weight. Thanks!
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby cracker39 on Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:32 pm

Wildog69 wrote:Can anyone tell me what anchor was used on the Classic 21's. Mine is a 1995, named the Evergreen. I'll post hull # when I get back to the boat. I understand it was a claw anchor, but was wondering the weight. Thanks!


i would also be interested, as the first owner of Chester made custom teak chocks for a Danforth anchor - which I still have - whereas the stainless bow anchor pulpit is empty. I’m guessing that the original anchor is still firmly hooked under a rock somewhere in Lake Michigan - or it was simply not passed along to the second owner twenty years ago!
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby Wildog69 on Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:34 pm

My R21 Classic is a 1995, Name: Evergreen Hull Serial Number RFB02721C595. It has a factory installed rear steering wheel on the starboard side, just ahead of the rear seat. It has the 3 cylinder 27 HP Yanmar diesel motor, 3GM30F. It has the mast and boom, and supports a full canopy.
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby cracker39 on Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:48 pm

I think that we’ve established a pattern. We now have “Chester” (RFB02630E592), “Lil’ Toot” (RFB02637G592), and “Evergreen” (RFB02721C595). As such, it would appear that the first five numbers are nothing more than a sequential numbering of the hulls produced. In other words, 92 R21’s were produced from May 1992 to March 1995, inclusive of the first and last in the sequence. The only remaining unknown tidbit would be the significance of the number “5” preceding the year. I’m guessing now that it might be a mould or model number for just the hull - as different liner configurations appear to be evident within boats of this era. The only other possibility, with respect to the first five numbers, is that this sequence of numbers could nave been used across the entire line of boats that RFB was producing. 02630 may have been an R21 - but 02631 might have been an entirely different model produced by RFB, provided that they were, indeed, producing more than one model during this era. Does anyone know?
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby cracker39 on Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:38 am

Aside from searching for the oldest R21 Classic, it would still be great to have serial numbers from other R21’s spanning the years they were built. There were several different hull liners used - i.e. - some with interior liners stopping 6 or 8 inches below the top of the cockpit rails and using a wood stern seat, some with sides coming down to the sole of the cockpit with storage cubbyholes built in, others with built-in stern seats integral with the liner, perhaps some with sides and cockpit sole molded as one unit (—-with or without entry steps at the rear of the wheelhouse), some with fuel tanks under the stern seat, etc. As an example, my ‘92 R21 has the short side liners, with an added trim panel from the liner to the cockpit sole, a wood stern seat, and with both the batteries and fuel tank under the engine box. It’s powered by the 2GM20F Yanmar with a 16 hp continuous rating output. The most notable feature of the early R21’s is, of course, the teak window frames of the wheelhouse, the teak soles on the gunwales, the teak trim on the engine box, and additional teak railings and trim on the wheelhouse. The exhaust through the stern may be a feature of early R21’s, as I know the R21 EC’s exhaust through the side - but I’m not sure when, or why, this change was made? Perhaps something to do with “swim platforms”? As for the interior of the wheelhouse, I don’t think that there were too many changes in the basic mold. There were certainly different furnishings offered - and even a “raised” wheelhouse roof to provide more headroom (—-which I’ve been pursuing.) I envy those whose boats aren’t laid up for the winter - but for the rest of us this is a good time to take a few minutes and get to know your R21’s heritage. Furnish your serial numbers and give us a short rundown of how your boat is set up. I believe the R21 is a very unique little boat that will, with reasonable care, probably outlive most of the present owner’s. That distinction is very limited in scope.
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby REO6205 on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:28 am

Another hull number to help you guys in your search. This is from a 2005 I owned.

FMLR 2117 G405
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby cracker39 on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:52 pm

REO6205 wrote:Another hull number to help you guys in your search. This is from a 2005 I owned.

FMLR 2117 G405


Interesting. I’m guessing that the casting of this hull was subcontracted to another company unless someone has a better explanation for the “FMLR” prefix. Likewise, if the “2117” is a sequential numbering scheme, as generally confirmed by the previous hull numbers we have herein, it is out of sequence. 2005 is the year that the R21 EC evolved but you failed to say whether the 2005 you owned was an R21 - or an R21 EC. I assumed from your use of the past-tense that you were not referring to the R21 EC shown in your profile.
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby Admiral S on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:57 pm

FML is the Fluid Motion designation
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby cracker39 on Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:21 pm

Admiral S wrote:FML is the Fluid Motion designation


Can you expand on that a bit? When did they buy out RFB and, if so, did they ever produce an R21 Classic - and do R21 EC’s all have the FML prefix? Does anyone have a R21 Classic with the FML ptrfix in the hull number?
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby Admiral S on Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:03 pm

The posters HIN above was a 2005 R21 so that would be the Fluid Motion/Ranger Tug era. I don't have any other information to help.
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Re: Oldest R21 Classic?

Postby REO6205 on Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:30 pm

cracker39 wrote:
REO6205 wrote:Another hull number to help you guys in your search. This is from a 2005 I owned.

FMLR 2117 G405


Interesting. I’m guessing that the casting of this hull was subcontracted to another company unless someone has a better explanation for the “FMLR” prefix. Likewise, if the “2117” is a sequential numbering scheme, as generally confirmed by the previous hull numbers we have herein, it is out of sequence. 2005 is the year that the R21 EC evolved but you failed to say whether the 2005 you owned was an R21 - or an R21 EC. I assumed from your use of the past-tense that you were not referring to the R21 EC shown in your profile.


Okay, I'll try explaining this in a little more detail. FMLR 2117 G405 is a 2005 Ranger Tug R-21. It has the small cabin.

As stated above, Fluid Motion is the builder. I have no idea if the hull was subcontracted and I don't really care. It was a fine little boat.

My current boat is an R-21 EC. Everybody clear on this now?

Has anybody contacted the factory to see if they have the needed information or are you guys going to continue to stumble around like a bunch of maritime Three Stooges?

Good luck in your search.
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