What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:28 pm

502mad wrote:KISS principle is often best!


Simplicity is sometimes overstated IMO. Many of the newer technologies do simplify life.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:14 pm

Tomorrow I'm down to the Kent factory to install the Fill-Rite flow meter for measuring and recording the number of raw water gallons the head/toilet pulls in. Unfortunately I will not be able to assess how well this will work until we get the boat on the water. Once on the water and after a few head flushes to review this I will post a separate thread on how it works out. :)
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:00 pm

I visited the factory today....

I took my Fill-Rite Flow Meter with me to understand how best to install it. Andrew and I chatted about this and the simplest thing to do is to install it in the raw water inlet line forward of the T joint used to direct sea water to the pump for the cockpit's Washdown system, raw water w/hose. This line runs just under the deck floor and is in clear view on starboard side of the cockpit's center locker.This then will allow the flow meter to ONLY register/record the gallons of sea water being drawn in by the Toilet's pump. More on this in another posting. This install will be easy-peaseee and given the easy line of sight access to the flow meter the display will be clearly seen and its batteries will be easy to replace when needed. Note - the flow meter will retain its data when the 2x AA batteries are replaced.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby 502mad on Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:14 pm

Why doesn't the factory install tank level indicators?
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:22 pm

502mad wrote:Why doesn't the factory install tank level indicators?


They do for fuel and fresh water. However, they obviously know trying to do same for the holding tank is simply asking for trouble. Many of the RT models the holding tank is visible and its level can be seen clearly so long as the tank's material hasn't clouded up making that level check impossible.

I've talked with RT about this and was told they see no good way for installing a robust level sensor in the holding tank that would stand up to years of good service.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby 502mad on Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:25 pm

Do you know if the black water tank is visible in the R23?
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:32 pm

502mad wrote:Do you know if the black water tank is visible in the R23?


It is hidden by a double wall bulkhead between cabin and the V-Berth step. Just like for the new 2018 R-27.

I suspect my flow meter solution will work as well for the R-23 as it will for the new R-27.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby Rwnorton on Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:44 pm

Baz, did you find a solution to the question of “how full is my holding tank”? Did you find any appropriate water flow meters?
I have an inboard R27 but the tank is opiquate so I have the same issue.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:28 pm

Rwnorton wrote:Baz, did you find a solution to the question of “how full is my holding tank”? Did you find any appropriate water flow meters?
I have an inboard R27 but the tank is opiquate so I have the same issue.


Rwnorton: As I posted above I had the Flow-Rite flow meter installed and it is a good solution for the R-23 and R-27 outboard models IMO.

For your R-27 inboard diesel model you will need to find the line feeding raw water to your toilet and install the flow meter in it and in a place where it can be accessed easily for reading its display and for changing its batteries periodically. The flow meter display will inform you how many gallons have been drawn into the toilet bowl. So if your holding tank is say 30 gallons, then when the flow meter displays 25 gallons you should assume your holding tank is close to being full.

The flow meter I used was obtained at Amazon. The price for this device fluctuates a great deal so keep an eye on the price and click BUY when it's at a low point. :o

At this time it's priced at $158.61 and I actually paid close to $220 at the time I made my purchase. The $158.61 is a low price at this time.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WGTYSZC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby Red Raven on Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:42 pm

Rwnorton wrote:Baz, did you find a solution to the question of “how full is my holding tank”? Did you find any appropriate water flow meters?
I have an inboard R27 but the tank is opiquate so I have the same issue.


As an alternative in case you missed it, we use the SCAD Solo in our R27 and it works well. It uses foil strips applied to the outside of the tank. No need to put anything in the tank and the display can be mounted anywhere in the boat that is convenient to be checked at any time. It doesn’t matter if the tank is opaque as long as it is plastic. I believe the system uses electrical impedance to determine the level.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C51%7C2234305%7C2234306&id=1249539

The only thing I would caution regarding the flow meter is it only measures the amount of flush water drawn in. The volume of human waste and urine is not measured nor is any water that is entered from the head faucet directly to the bowl. We often use the head faucet to “help” it flush or just give it a fresh water rinse. That would not be measured. Over time you will learn the correlation between the flow and the actual level in the tank and adjust accordingly.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:55 pm

Curt: Your solution will only be possible if the holding tank is accessible. For the R-23 and R-27 outboard models and maybe some other RT models the holding tank is buried and cannot be seen.

It' a shame the SCAD Solo cannot be used for a metal tank as I would love to know how empty or full my Webasto force air heater's diesel fuel tank is. In my case, this fuel tank is readily seen under the stove and viewed through the locker under the stove's oven area. The tank is metal/aluminium.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby Red Raven on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:10 pm

Baz. Understood. I noted that Rwnorton has a R27 Classic and wanted to make sure he knew about this additional option.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby Red Raven on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:24 pm

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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby baz on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:32 pm

Curt: Thanks..... but that device would be nigh impossible for me to install.

I'm thinking about using a temperature sensitive vertically placed tape to adhere to the tanks surface that shows colors associated with the metal surface's temperature. If this works it should be possible to figure out the fuel level in the tank.
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Re: What's noticed when holding tank becomes full ?

Postby Red Raven on Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:42 pm

Interesting idea. I’m curious to know if it works. Let us know if you try it.
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