Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

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Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Gin on Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:55 am

In a thread from last year http://www.tugnuts.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7995, folks discussed the issues with the teak and holly on the underside of the "porch" like cover over the back of the cockpit on some of our models. Mine is doing what others have described. It has "weathered" badly despite the fact that it is sheltered from the elements just about all the time. I have mildew spots, and the finish generally looks pretty shabby.

Sounds like at least a few people have replaced theirs with solid teak and holly panels, rather than veneers. For anyone who has done that, can you provide more info? What was involved in removing the panel that is there? I made an initial start on that, but mine seems to be "glued" in (caulk? liquid nails?). I may have to tear it out to get it out. Which isn't a problem if I'm going to replace it. But that leads me to my second question.

What have folks used for the replacement material? Anything other than solid teak and holly? If solid teak and holly, what thickness were you able to use and where did you find it. I'm not optimistic than my local lumber yards will have anything even close. Are there any mail or internet suppliers than anyone knows of?

Thanks for any experience and suggestions you can share. This may be a project for spring, but I look forward to having that panel look a lot better than it does now. (On the other hand, I think I may be the only one who notices!).

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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby baz on Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:04 am

The recent ActiveCaptain news Email gave this...

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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Brian B on Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:41 pm

An easier option would be to remove the existing material. Clean up the fiberglass underneath it and paint it with a top side primer and paint. If the fiberglass is rough or has voids you could use an auto body filler to make it smooth, just make sure the filler is easy to sand.
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Gin on Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:34 pm

Brian, I wondered about something along the lines of your suggestion. I'd have to figure out something for the light in the center -- it would need something to give it a finished off look. A worthwhile thought. Thanks. Baz, I wondered about the Lonmarine "wood" that defender had the special on. I glanced at it when the promotion was emailed out. Might be an option too. Thanks for the reminder about it.

Still wondering if anyone can say what was involved in getting the old panel off. And in light of Brian's suggestion, what I will find underneath it. If you've had that experience, please chime in!

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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Red Raven on Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:44 pm

Are you sure you can't just sand and refinish? That is what I did. Instead of putting on a hard finish, after sanding with my palm sander I just used teak oil. It has held up well. I think the hard finish peels and molds due to trapped moisture collects under there. The teak oil allows it to breathe a bit dry out and hold up better.
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Boatagain on Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:07 pm

I had a different experience with teak oil. I sanded and re-oiled mine in late July. Looked good for a while, but starting to get the mildew stains again. Disappointed with the lack of longevity.

How about something like this? http://www.seadek.com/
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby MartyC on Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:37 pm

I finally pulled the teak/holly paneling down yesterday. The silicone around the edges was coming loose and had mildew. The wood was delaminating on one corner and the finish was looking bad. I complained to the dealer I bought my NEW 2016 Cutwater 28 from in Aug 2016 and he said he would look into it. I talked with a factory rep when I had the boat in Anacortes this summer and he was going to try to get me a replacement. Also, I was told the wood had several coats of finish on the top and finished side to protect it. It has no finish on back side and apparently had very little finish on the teal/holly side.

Has anybody replaced the wood with 1/4" King Starboard? I would like to replace this panel only once.
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby elan on Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:16 am

Good morning,
Yep we had the same problen with the underside, after carful examination we desided to replace ours with white starboard that can be purchased at home depo or west marine.
For photo's of the install please view the photo's on our photo album hear on tug-nuts.
Good luck,
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby MartyC on Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:24 am

Looks good. Thanks for the info. Did you use arctic white or white white? Personally, I never liked the teak/holly flooring on the overhang. I do like the vinyl with cherry wood strips on the cabin overhead.
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby BaseCampAnne on Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:57 am

I still have not resolved the underside of the porch roof issue, waiting for more ideas. Perhaps Elan has found the solution I am seeking.

My upholstery on Cascadia, (2013 Ranger 29) is also needing replacement. I am hoping to find a match for the two front seats that will work with the other seat.

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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby MartyC on Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:52 am

I just replaced the teak and holly on my 2016 Cutwater 28 with 1/4" King Starboard (Arctic White).
I ordered 2 pieces so it could be shipped UPS. We used starboard blocks to lower the forward edge about 1 1/2" so the exposed joint at each end (which was filled with silicone/rubber or what ever was used) was covered. The aft end was lowered about 3/8". I do not plan to use any silicone around the edges to eliminate molding and to allow any water that might enter to run out.
I have a few photos in my albums.
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby knotflying on Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:00 am

Here is an interesting thought. Gansett Ranger has photos on his album of U-dek he and I installed on our swim platforms and cockpits. This stuf would work just as well on the overhead. Hey if it withstands floor traffic and just about everything else, why not a ceiling?
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Brian B on Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:23 pm

knotflying wrote:Here is an interesting thought. Gansett Ranger has photos on his album of U-dek he and I installed on our swim platforms and cockpits. This stuf would work just as well on the overhead. Hey if it withstands floor traffic and just about everything else, why not a ceiling?


That's a great idea. I sense another project coming our way. My overhead is painted and never did like the look of it.
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Brian B on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:30 pm

The more I thought about Knotflying's idea the more I liked it. I took a pic of the overhang of my 25SC and sent it to Matthew at U-Dek to see it was feasible. His reply was positive although installation may be tricky. You can get Matthew's contact info on my previous post viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9940&p=68639&hilit=u+dek#p68639
If you were to proceed with the project contact Knotflying or myself for some installation tips, we have done 2 boats now and are just about professionals.(emphasis on just about :D )
The first time I saw that teak and holly wood being used in that location I thought it would be a future problem.
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Re: Replace teak & holly on underside of cockpit "porch"?

Postby Gin on Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:27 pm

Brian, have you pursued the U-Dek possibility for your boat? If so, I'd love some details. I've haven't pursued this project on my boat yet, but I'm hoping to get back to it soon. The U-Dek option is one I'd like to explore.

Thanks for any further info you can provide.

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