Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

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Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Kaptajnen on Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:24 pm

To either port tWe just took delivery of a new Ranger Tug 31-S.

Is there any way to Display the rudder position on the garmen screen?

I was told that the way to center the rudder is to turn the wheel all the way to port or starboard and then turn it 3 turns the opposite way.

To me that is a timeconsuming and rather quaint way to center the rudder.

Any suggestions?

Than ks
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby TexasEye on Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:47 pm

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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Kaptajnen on Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:18 pm

Hello TexasEye.

Thanks for the link. Can you tell me how the Rudder Position is shown on the Garmin Display, after the sensor has been installed? What specific screen, i.e. engine or what?

Thanks
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby ixlr8 on Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:25 pm

Kaptajnen wrote:Hello TexasEye.

Thanks for the link. Can you tell me how the Rudder Position is shown on the Garmin Display, after the sensor has been installed? What specific screen, i.e. engine or what?

Thanks

Based on info on the Garmin site, it pairs with the autopilot controller and shows up on that screen. This is some thing I am tempted to get, since I put the full enclosure on it is more difficult to see the engine position.
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby TexasEye on Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:00 pm

Yep,

It is for the autopilot not the Nav System. Garmin should include this capability to their Marine Nav system capability
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Admiral S on Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:34 pm

ixlr8 wrote:
Kaptajnen wrote:Hello TexasEye.

Thanks for the link. Can you tell me how the Rudder Position is shown on the Garmin Display, after the sensor has been installed? What specific screen, i.e. engine or what?

Thanks

Based on info on the Garmin site, it pairs with the autopilot controller and shows up on that screen. This is some thing I am tempted to get, since I put the full enclosure on it is more difficult to see the engine position.


ixlr8 -

Not sure the GRF sensor will work with your outboard. They are for inboard rudder tillers. I would give Garmin a call and see what they say.
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby stwendl on Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:00 pm

It’s not as simple as buying the sensor and plugging it in. As I understand it and based on my equipment on my 2016 r27, the autopilot controller needs to have that extra port which mine has not. If you want to make a try n2k Sensor that plugs into the bus then you need a second device, chop of the connector and splice together. Or buy a different auto pilot controlle

Technically it’s irrelevant if you have OB or rudder. However, protecting that sensor on an outboard would require extra effort. There may be splash protected sensors available for such purposes that I don’t know about. As mentioned before, installing can be a pain, as i have done on a sailboat before.

There a few articles on this site explaining the installation in details
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Kaptajnen on Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:30 am

It is not as simple as buying the sensor and plugging it in. As I understand it and based on my equipment on my 2016 r27, the autopilot controller needs to have that extra port which mine has not. If you want to make a try n2k Sensor that plugs into the bus then you need a second device, chop of the connector and splice together. Or buy a different auto pilot controller.


That is what I discovered after buying the sensor and trying to have it installed in our new Ranger 31-S. Had to abandon the install and return the Garmin sensor to the dealer.
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Kaptajnen on Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:29 am

Kaptajnen wrote:
It is not as simple as buying the sensor and plugging it in. As I understand it and based on my equipment on my 2016 r27, the autopilot controller needs to have that extra port which mine has not. If you want to make a try n2k Sensor that plugs into the bus then you need a second device, chop of the connector and splice together. Or buy a different auto pilot controller.


That is what I discovered after buying the sensor and trying to have it installed in our new Ranger 31-S. Had to abandon the install and return the Garmin sensor to the dealer.


In order to add an AIS responder to our Boat, I installed a VESPER XB-8000 box.
It is equipped with a NMEA 2000 port, so I am considering trying to add the Garmin rudder sensor again. It would involve pulling a cable from the stern to the forward equipment bay under the instrument panel which could be a show stopper.
Any thoughts?
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby BradOwens on Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:29 pm

Being used to having a rudder position indicator on Coast Guard ships, I thought it was something I would miss having on my R29. I have found however, that after three years of owning Serendipity, I get along just fine without one, and wouldn't waste time and money installing one.
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Tug Travelers on Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:22 pm

Kaptanjnen-
Hi, both John and I (Tug Travelers) have 2016 R31's and we have the garmin rudder angle Indicators. For us, it was just a plug in after the armature arm was mounted. Email me at jeff@tugtravelers.com and I will send you photos if you want.

On our display, both on the flying bridge and on the lower helm, the indicator shows up on our auto-pilot screen at the top as well as our primary nav screen (also at the top).

It is very handy to have and the install was not hard.

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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Kaptajnen on Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:57 pm

Jeff,

Just sent an email to you.

Thanks,
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Kaptajnen on Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:20 pm

After checking with Ranger Tugs, here is the word on installing the Garmin Rudder Indicator on our 2018 Ranger 31-S:

——————————— QUOTE————————
“With the system you have onboard you will need to buy the indicator which is the GRF 10 and also get an adapter that is the GRA 10. This will allow you to connect from your indicator to your NMEA backbone and send the information to your GHC 20 display.”.
——————————— END OF QUOTE————————


FisheriesSupply.com lists the GRF10 at $250. and the GRA10 at $200.00. Add the cost of installation and you are looking at a total of close to a thousand bucks.
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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby Scottfree on Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:20 pm

Sorry but I'm not understanding why the position of the rudder is relevant. It's never pointed where the boat is going except in dead calm at 1 knot.


Did I miss something?

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Re: Rudder position Indicator- Garmin

Postby BobnDoc on Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:57 pm

Jeff
I,too just sent you an email re installation of a rudder angle indicator. Not sure if it went thru. Please send me the info so I can do the same. Thanks for presenting a straight forward commentary. I’ve gotten a number of discouraging responses when I have asked others. Bob rosemanbob@comcast.net
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