filling up diesel--R-27

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R-27, 2012,
Any tips on fueling the tank? With no exaggeration, it takes me 30 mins to get 28 gallons of diesel in tank!
I had it taken to a marine tech and they tested the vent and no obstructions. It makes the hose stop every time you try to increase the flow into the tank. I had the plastic vertical cylinder attachment and that does not help. I cut a plastic gallon bottle and it flows smoother and without spillage ,but is still excessively slow.
Any thoughts??
Thanks, J
 
hmm that seems extra slow. I never fill at full pace but its doesnt take that long.

It might be worth inspecting to see what route the fill tube is taking to the tank - especially near the filler cap. perhaps an excessive kink is causing blow back?
 
I had that issue on my 25SC. Make sure the vent hose does not have any bends in it where it could hold backed up fuel. Check the fill hose as it goes through the engine compartment for any rise. Mine had a slight rise caused by one of the zip ties that hold the hose up. When I cut that tie the hose dropped a bit and it made all the difference in fueling the boat.
 
Hello johnw,

As noted by others, it's very important that the fuel fill and vent hoses are routed in such a way that there are no kinks or dips, especially in the vent hose.

Please feel free to reach out directly with any questions.

Thank you,

-Tim
 
This is a common issue with Tugs and Cuts. Some worse then others. As stated already make sure you have a clean run with no low spots fill hose and vent. Usually the last 10 gallons is the worst. There are many solutions in post here on Tugnuts to help with the problem. Do a search it will come up. Good luck!
 
Has anyone in Canada found a good source for the Clean Way Fuel fill? This sells for US $39.95 direct from Clean Way. Add $30 for shipping to Canada and convert to $CDN and I'm at $100. Still not bad compared to the $328 or $227 offers on Amazon.ca. Alternatively, I'm going to Portland for a couple of days at the end of the month, any suggestions as to a stockist in the area of Portland or Seattle?

Many thanks
 
Hey Chimo,
I had the Cleanway sent by USPS and Canada Post up here to Quadra Island, BC and it arrived in couple of days. Postage was about $20. The devise works perfectly, fill time has been greatly reduced and I save alot on absorbant towels. Nor do I smell like diesel for the rest of the day. You could have it sent to where ever you will be staying in Portland and pick it up when you visit. I think the postage cost was a small price to live right next door to Desolation Sound!
Ed Fisher
TugEtherness
 
Kim and Ed":mge6qvhd said:
Hey Chimo,
I had the Cleanway sent by USPS and Canada Post up here to Quadra Island, BC and it arrived in couple of days. Postage was about $20. The devise works perfectly, fill time has been greatly reduced and I save alot on absorbant towels. Nor do I smell like diesel for the rest of the day. You could have it sent to where ever you will be staying in Portland and pick it up when you visit. I think the postage cost was a small price to live right next door to Desolation Sound!
Ed Fisher
TugEtherness
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Thanks so much for the answer. I was bemoaning the fact that I couldn’t find this locally at the Chandlers here in Sidney. Short answer: the BC distributors are Western Marine who are wholesale only. The chandler ordered it and delivery will be tomorrow afternoon. Price is $75 CDN (58 USD). I should have done my homework better before asking for help! My apologies.
 
I now have the Cleanway on hand and I'm ready to use it on the next fill. Does it pose any issues having the chain in place that holds on the filler cap? It looks like the rubber insert is flexible enough to compensate but I thought I would ask.

Many thanks
 
Chimo":1jxzo2zd said:
I now have the Cleanway on hand and I'm ready to use it on the next fill. Does it pose any issues having the chain in place that holds on the filler cap? It looks like the rubber insert is flexible enough to compensate but I thought I would ask.

Many thanks
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Yes, I would remove the chain. The Chain can cause a leak, also it will damage the labyrinth seals( the rings that look like threads) on the Cleanway. I disconnected the chain from the fuel fill cap and let the chain lay down in the fuel fill neck. I then purchased another spare cap from Richard-Ranger parts. Just in case the cap goes for a swim.
 
So the Cleanway works on fuel inlets that are at an angle? Didn't see any instructional videos on this issue.
 
Presently I do not think they do. I believe a fuel fill with more then 45 degrees it will not work. The Cutwater and Tugs now have the fuel fill on the top of the deck. At least the boats that I have seen. I don't know about older models.
 
OK.. a bit confused here. I'm assuming you've taken this up with Ranger? This is totally unacceptable.
A boat should never come with this problem from the factory, simple as that. Then you guys are spending time and money figuring out something that should be a non issue from Ranger. I'd be heavy on the phone with them to make sure they know this is an issue so they can address it, fix you boat and make sure their new boats don't have this issue.

You pay to much money for these boats to have growing pains like this. I'm sorry, that's just totally unacceptable.
30 minutes to fuel up your boat. Not only are you wasting you boating time you are holding up the fuel dock that others want to use.

Please let us know if you have contacted your dealer and what their response is. I'm seeing a lot of little issues on this forum with RT boats. I know all boats have issues but all in all these systems are pretty simple and nagging issues should be addressed in testing, real world and factory and at the prototype stage. Maybe it's just a costs issue on the manufacturer side.

Hope you get that rectified.
 
crowleykirk":25mkzn51 said:
OK.. a bit confused here. I'm assuming you've taken this up with Ranger? This is totally unacceptable.
A boat should never come with this problem from the factory, simple as that. Then you guys are spending time and money figuring out something that should be a non issue from Ranger. I'd be heavy on the phone with them to make sure they know this is an issue so they can address it, fix you boat and make sure their new boats don't have this issue.

You pay to much money for these boats to have growing pains like this. I'm sorry, that's just totally unacceptable.
30 minutes to fuel up your boat. Not only are you wasting you boating time you are holding up the fuel dock that others want to use.

Please let us know if you have contacted your dealer and what their response is. I'm seeing a lot of little issues on this forum with RT boats. I know all boats have issues but all in all these systems are pretty simple and nagging issues should be addressed in testing, real world and factory and at the prototype stage. Maybe it's just a costs issue on the manufacturer side.

Hope you get that rectified.
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So I'm assuming that you own a Ranger Tug and have not experienced this or "a lot of little issues". What year and model is your boat please? Maybe we could all learn something from your posteriori knowledge.
 
Chimo":3kxhmf52 said:
Kim and Ed":3kxhmf52 said:
Hey Chimo,
I had the Cleanway sent by USPS and Canada Post up here to Quadra Island, BC and it arrived in couple of days. Postage was about $20. The devise works perfectly, fill time has been greatly reduced and I save alot on absorbant towels. Nor do I smell like diesel for the rest of the day. You could have it sent to where ever you will be staying in Portland and pick it up when you visit. I think the postage cost was a small price to live right next door to Desolation Sound!
Ed Fisher
TugEtherness
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Thanks so much for the answer. I was bemoaning the fact that I couldn’t find this locally at the Chandlers here in Sidney. Short answer: the BC distributors are Western Marine who are wholesale only. The chandler ordered it and delivery will be tomorrow afternoon. Price is $75 CDN (58 USD). I should have done my homework better before asking for help! My apologies.
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Thanks for the info! Just contacted the Harbour Chandler in Nanaimo and they ordered one for me and said it will be here tomorrow! Hope it works!
 
I am sorry to report that diesel boats can be this way. When the diesel enters the tank at a high rate, it foams and expands which will sometimes come out of the vent or fill before you are actually full. Also, I have seen so many times where the large nozzle is being used which has a high flow that the venting on our tanks won’t handle. In addition to this, I’ve seen clogged vents which are not breathing as they should causing the slow fill. Kirk, you should go and inspect the fuel hose routing on his boat and note that the vent line and fuel fill line have a nice drop and are actually routed very nicely. My guess is this is not the first owner and who knows how it worked from the time it was new. There are many differences from a boat to a car so let’s please not jump on the bandwagon and automatically blame the factory for something they did wrong.
 
Along with what Andrew related a marina operator told me that the dye used in the diesel makes it foam up even more. I have found some marina's that have the high volume nozzles can turn the flow rate down at the pump, worth asking when you encounter them.
 
I always fill up at Van Isle Marina here in Sidney BC. They have a very active fuel dock and service a lot of large yachts so they go through a lot of diesel. The staff are very helpful and always turn down the flow level for me. They have both the large and small nozzles available and obviously I always take the small one. I bought the Cleanway because it seems like a bit of inexpensive extra insurance against the spill that could be caused, most likely, by my inattention while filling. I personally have no complaints with the design or installation of the filling system. Foaming diesel is a fact of life.
 
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