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Glenn

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Hi All, first time here. I am looking for a new boat. I am in the Pacific Northwest.

I have narrowed my choices down to a used Cutwater 28 or 30CB, both diesel. A few questions if I may?

Why are all newer boats coming with outboards?
Any negatives to a CB? Not trailering.
How hard is it to dock alone if needed in either? Both have thrusters.
Without a kicker, if the engine fails and will not start, does one just call Seatow?

Anything else I should look for or know?
Thanks
Glenn
 
I can give you my thoughts on the CB. We have a 2015 R31 CB. When we were hunting we were against a CB because of the look. We never even considered it and only looked at sedan style boats. One with a CB came available in our town, so we looked at it and immediately realized we love the functionality.

Pros:
-Additional seating for guests on nice days
-Beautiful views and great visibility when piling from the top
-Storage of water toys like paddle boards, etc are easy
-Virtually no loss of space with the stairs
-Redundancy for steering, Garmin, throttle, etc if something goes wrong in the cockpit

Cons:
-Not as sleek looking. But you do learn to love it
-Extra height acts as a sail during the wind
-More hydraulics and electronics to break
-Constant covering and uncovering as you use the CB
 
Docking... Do lots of single handed trips. Our Dock is a back-in slip Port side facing into the River Current. With the helm on the Starboard side I have small outside mirrors on each side and line the boat up, and then let it drift in the current and correct to alignment with rudder and burst of power or thrusters. When I see that we are close enough I go back to the Port side where I have a long looped line from the midship cleat that I put over the First Dock Cleat and step on to the dock with the stern line in my hand and guide the boat back. the looped line stops the boat in position, I secure the stern and then attached the bow line and the looped line is the spring line. River Current holds the boat in place. For coming in after dark when I can't see the end of the dock I installed a small solar powered light on the end of the dock to guide in after dark. Have RT 27 2011 w/ Yanmar diesel.
 
The outboard vs inboard argument comes down mostly to when, where, and how long. Besides the reasons why it makes a lot of sense for boat builders to go with outboards, they (outboards) are certainly popular as an option for a number of reasons. If you want/need to get somewhere in a hurry they sure can sprint with the amount of HP that can be bolted on, but they don't do all that well anywhere in the slow to mid range speeds so your maximum range is limited. An Inboard single diesel can just keep on going and going while sipping fuel resulting in some extraordinary range capability though top end is not exactly screaming fast by any means. Outboard parts and service are usually more available and certainly cheaper than a diesel inboard, however if putting a ton of hours on the engine(s) and properly maintaining them the diesel could outlive 3 or even 4 sets of outboard motors. The key there is maintenance, as diesels can be very temperamental if not maintained properly whereas the outboards can be abused pretty hard and still live up to their expected hours (lifespan).

So if you're planning on traveling long distances, going out in less than favorable conditions requiring a slower pace, and have more time to dedicate to the vessel then the inboard diesel should be the way to go. However, if you're in a hurry and only have that one day or two off to use the boat, and need to run out and back at speed... Outboards are certainly your friend. Same goes for trailering as there is far less to procedure and care needed vs with the diesel.

I don't have a command bridge, but certainly wish I did sometimes... Not very often though. In my case I have a substantially low bridge to clear between the slip and harbor mouth (8' clearance at high tide, 14' at low tide) so the extra height would just make for more work lowering/raising everything along with even further limiting my departure/return windows. Another factor that can come into play is the effectiveness of the solar panel on the CB as there are so many additional shade structures and much less space for expansion of the array. Without the CB additional panels can be added with ease for charging capabilities in excess of 400-800W depending on layout.

Docking alone really just boils down to one's proficiency with running a single screw (unless you have outboards and/or a joystick). Without even touching the thrusters it's pretty easy to spin the vessel in hardly more than it's own length (depending on the current since it has a nearly full keel that gets pushed around but the thrusters can compensate when needed).

In general loss of the power plant will leave you stranded waiting for seatow or vessel assist as you eluded to. Having a kicker can be a good alternative, but the biggest issue there is range since it'll be operating at full tilt to make decent headway and the auxillary gas tank may not have enough reserve to get you far enough back to refuge. While not a perfect solution, I carry onboard an electric outboard for my inflatable tender which can be mounted to the swim platform and used to make way at a slow but steady pace of roughly 2.6 kts in practice. What is convenient though is the ability for it to charge while underway plugged into an outlet in the cockpit. So if there's sun the solar keeps up with it virtually indefinitely, and as long as the generator still works the remaining diesel can be used to supply power overnight or during less than optional conditions. (Assuming the fuel tank isn't the problem)
 
One advantage of the CB that hasn't been mentioned yet is visibility. Boating in the PNW means the occasional logs and crab trap bouys and it is so much easier to spot these from up top, especially if there a bit of chop.
 
One advantage of the CB that hasn't been mentioned yet is visibility. Boating in the PNW means the occasional logs and crab trap bouys and it is so much easier to spot these from up top, especially if there a bit of chop.
THIS! Totally agree
 
I have had my C28 for six years now. Very easy to maneuver single handed with single diesel and bow and stern thrusters. I take it out alone to fish all the time. When I first got the boat my friends would see me dock and come over and say "I hate you" they were so jealous.

Prior to this I had a Grady White Journey 258 with single outboard. Could be a bear to handle alone. IMO a single engine outboard is very difficult to maneuver. Twins are better, but with the smaller propellors they don't have the same 'bite' to the water.

Outboards make it difficult to transport a dingy. You lose the engine hot water option. You lose part of the swim step. You usually don't an option for a stern thruster. The alternators are smaller and put out less current.

As mentioned they have more speed but you can only go as fast as the sea allows you. Gasoline engines don't last as long as diesels but I doubt most people own a boat long enough to see a difference.

My two cents.

-martin610
 
I can give you my thoughts on the CB. We have a 2015 R31 CB. When we were hunting we were against a CB because of the look. We never even considered it and only looked at sedan style boats. One with a CB came available in our town, so we looked at it and immediately realized we love the functionality.

Pros:
-Additional seating for guests on nice days
-Beautiful views and great visibility when piling from the top
-Storage of water toys like paddle boards, etc are easy
-Virtually no loss of space with the stairs
-Redundancy for steering, Garmin, throttle, etc if something goes wrong in the cockpit

Cons:
-Not as sleek looking. But you do learn to love it
-Extra height acts as a sail during the wind
-More hydraulics and electronics to break
-Constant covering and uncovering as you use the CB
Great list of pros and cons, thanks so much!
 
Docking... Do lots of single handed trips. Our Dock is a back-in slip Port side facing into the River Current. With the helm on the Starboard side I have small outside mirrors on each side and line the boat up, and then let it drift in the current and correct to alignment with rudder and burst of power or thrusters. When I see that we are close enough I go back to the Port side where I have a long looped line from the midship cleat that I put over the First Dock Cleat and step on to the dock with the stern line in my hand and guide the boat back. the looped line stops the boat in position, I secure the stern and then attached the bow line and the looped line is the spring line. River Current holds the boat in place. For coming in after dark when I can't see the end of the dock I installed a small solar powered light on the end of the dock to guide in after dark. Have RT 27 2011 w/ Yanmar diesel.
Sounds like you have it figured out. Nice!
 
The outboard vs inboard argument comes down mostly to when, where, and how long. Besides the reasons why it makes a lot of sense for boat builders to go with outboards, they (outboards) are certainly popular as an option for a number of reasons. If you want/need to get somewhere in a hurry they sure can sprint with the amount of HP that can be bolted on, but they don't do all that well anywhere in the slow to mid range speeds so your maximum range is limited. An Inboard single diesel can just keep on going and going while sipping fuel resulting in some extraordinary range capability though top end is not exactly screaming fast by any means. Outboard parts and service are usually more available and certainly cheaper than a diesel inboard, however if putting a ton of hours on the engine(s) and properly maintaining them the diesel could outlive 3 or even 4 sets of outboard motors. The key there is maintenance, as diesels can be very temperamental if not maintained properly whereas the outboards can be abused pretty hard and still live up to their expected hours (lifespan).

So if you're planning on traveling long distances, going out in less than favorable conditions requiring a slower pace, and have more time to dedicate to the vessel then the inboard diesel should be the way to go. However, if you're in a hurry and only have that one day or two off to use the boat, and need to run out and back at speed... Outboards are certainly your friend. Same goes for trailering as there is far less to procedure and care needed vs with the diesel.

I don't have a command bridge, but certainly wish I did sometimes... Not very often though. In my case I have a substantially low bridge to clear between the slip and harbor mouth (8' clearance at high tide, 14' at low tide) so the extra height would just make for more work lowering/raising everything along with even further limiting my departure/return windows. Another factor that can come into play is the effectiveness of the solar panel on the CB as there are so many additional shade structures and much less space for expansion of the array. Without the CB additional panels can be added with ease for charging capabilities in excess of 400-800W depending on layout.

Docking alone really just boils down to one's proficiency with running a single screw (unless you have outboards and/or a joystick). Without even touching the thrusters it's pretty easy to spin the vessel in hardly more than it's own length (depending on the current since it has a nearly full keel that gets pushed around but the thrusters can compensate when needed).

In general loss of the power plant will leave you stranded waiting for seatow or vessel assist as you eluded to. Having a kicker can be a good alternative, but the biggest issue there is range since it'll be operating at full tilt to make decent headway and the auxillary gas tank may not have enough reserve to get you far enough back to refuge. While not a perfect solution, I carry onboard an electric outboard for my inflatable tender which can be mounted to the swim platform and used to make way at a slow but steady pace of roughly 2.6 kts in practice. What is convenient though is the ability for it to charge while underway plugged into an outlet in the cockpit. So if there's sun the solar keeps up with it virtually indefinitely, and as long as the generator still works the remaining diesel can be used to supply power overnight or during less than optional conditions. (Assuming the fuel tank isn't the problem)
Thank you for the comparison of outboard vs inboard, makes a lot of sense. Personally, slower pace, range, and the ability to get up and go if needed, sounds good! Thanks for addressing all my questions!!
 
One advantage of the CB that hasn't been mentioned yet is visibility. Boating in the PNW means the occasional logs and crab trap bouys and it is so much easier to spot these from up top, especially if there a bit of chop.
I agree, that is an advantage up here in the PNW. Hopefully one of those crab traps will be mine!
 
I have had my C28 for six years now. Very easy to maneuver single handed with single diesel and bow and stern thrusters. I take it out alone to fish all the time. When I first got the boat my friends would see me dock and come over and say "I hate you" they were so jealous.

Prior to this I had a Grady White Journey 258 with single outboard. Could be a bear to handle alone. IMO a single engine outboard is very difficult to maneuver. Twins are better, but with the smaller propellors they don't have the same 'bite' to the water.

Outboards make it difficult to transport a dingy. You lose the engine hot water option. You lose part of the swim step. You usually don't an option for a stern thruster. The alternators are smaller and put out less current.

As mentioned they have more speed but you can only go as fast as the sea allows you. Gasoline engines don't last as long as diesels but I doubt most people own a boat long enough to see a difference.

My two cents.

-martin610
Thanks. I like easy, so that is a plus. Good list of pros and cons~!
 
We have the exact same model and year. The CB affords us much better visibility when docking and when weather permits, I love being outside operating the boat rather than inside. We didn't even consider the sedan when shopping for our used boat 5 years ago.
 
My RT 31cb is my first real boat.
Thus far no issues handling it solo. I only dock from the salon helm, not the cb. The side door is vital in the process of coming into my home “fixed” (non floating) slip - as I have a pre-tied line which I grab through the door, tie off, and the rest of the tying off program depends on which way the river current is and wind direction.
And, when coming to a stop, click on the “throttle only” button as the side door is quite thin… hitting the throttle by accident with one’s butt is too easy.

My wife is not a boater. However, she loves going up to the cb. She likes the air and view. If it weren’t for the cb, I don’t think she’d go with me that often.

With the cb, I feel like we have two boats, the boating experiences are that different.
 
We have the exact same model and year. The CB affords us much better visibility when docking and when weather permits, I love being outside operating the boat rather than inside. We didn't even consider the sedan when shopping for our used boat 5 years ago.
Ya that sounds wonderful! Tks
 
My RT 31cb is my first real boat.
Thus far no issues handling it solo. I only dock from the salon helm, not the cb. The side door is vital in the process of coming into my home “fixed” (non floating) slip - as I have a pre-tied line which I grab through the door, tie off, and the rest of the tying off program depends on which way the river current is and wind direction.
And, when coming to a stop, click on the “throttle only” button as the side door is quite thin… hitting the throttle by accident with one’s butt is too easy.

My wife is not a boater. However, she loves going up to the cb. She likes the air and view. If it weren’t for the cb, I don’t think she’d go with me that often.

With the cb, I feel like we have two boats, the boating experiences are that different.
My wife is not a boater either. So maybe a nice boat and a cb will help!! Today on my walk I saw a boat named "His Idea"
 
Thanks for your example. I just my R-27 OB, 2021 and plan to doing a lot of single handed trips. My slip is a back-in that is perpendicular to a river current and ties up on starboard side. Current flows port to starboard. I’m looking for any & all advice I can find. Thanks, again!
 
I'm sure you'll get lots of good advice on this forum. Ranger put out a webinar on close quarters maneuvering that you might want to check out

 
We had a command bridge on our previous boat and really enjoyed it for all the reasons folks have already mentioned. Regarding outboard vs inboard. We have an outboard on our current R27 and really like the storage available in the cock pit as well as the range of speeds you can do. On our inside passage trip last summer we did a majority of slow boating on the first 2,000 miles at 8 - 10mph with an occassional run of 30+mph. On our way back from Wrangell to Anacortes, we were doing 30+mph most of the way. Our longest run between fuel stops was 247 miles between Sitka and Petersburg over a 4 day period. The last 50 miles were at 33mph to avoid weather moving in. We arrived in Petersburg with 40 gallons left in the tank. We also have a 9.9hp kicker motor that gives us 6mph as a backup motor. The one draw back to the outboards is the replacement of the impeller and lower unit oil can be very diffult while the boat is in the water.
 
Thanks for your example. I just my R-27 OB, 2021 and plan to doing a lot of single handed trips. My slip is a back-in that is perpendicular to a river current and ties up on starboard side. Current flows port to starboard. I’m looking for any & all advice I can find. Thanks, again!
Sounds challenging!
 
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