AIS Class B Devices / 2020 R-29 CB / Puget Sound

Anchors Aweigh

Active member
Joined
Feb 1, 2018
Messages
36
Fluid Motion Model
C-24 C
Non-Fluid Motion Model
(Sold) 2020 R-29 CB
Vessel Name
(Sold) 2017 R-25 SC
I’m considering an upgrade to my Garmin 210 VHF AIS system to allow for the ability to transmit an AIS signal. I’m not completely familiar with the various compatible AIS devices I should consider other than hearing about the Garmin 800 AIS Transceiver and the Vesper xb-8000 SmartAIS Transponder products as potential units.

Seeking recommendations on compatible AIS devices to consider as well as qualified marine electronics installers in the Puget Sound area to complete the installation & integration with my Garmin electronics.


Marc Doyle
2020 R-29 CB / Puffin
Port Ludlow, WA
 
So the VHF system has no AIS even though the name has AIS in it?


Forrest Stuart
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
fmstuart said:
So the VHF system has no AIS even though the name has AIS in it?


The Garmin 210 is a AIS Receive only unit
 
chicagosam":2qg7x80k said:
Vesper has a new product coming out called the Cortex. It comes with or without a fancy VHF radio.
Has the ability to monitor your boat along with many other features.
This model has yet to ship, but it has it all. Waiting till the M1 version starts shipping.

https://www.thegpsstore.com/Vesper-Cortex-M1-SmartAIS-Transponder-P6435.aspx

https://www.thegpsstore.com/Vesper-Cortex-V1-SmartAIS-Transponder-with-VHF-P6418.aspx

I have a Vesper and very happy with it. It has some good features.
 
I bought the Garmin 800 and it works perfectly. I feel much more confident knowing commercial vessels and other recreational boats with AIS have an extra way to see me (beyond radar and visual)

An added feature is the ability to look up my past tracks on an app like MarineTraffic, and to have my boating friends know where I am. Of course that is NOT a benefit if you want to run silent...anyone with an app can see what you’re up to!

The install is super easy if you do any work yourself. I’ll PM you about installers.
 
I've had both the Garmin 800 and the Vesper XB-8000. Here's my 2-cents' worth.

Garmin had a major software glitch in the 800 when it first came out. On our R31, I had the Garmin 800, but it would not work for more than a few minutes at a time. Garmin offered some ideas via phone, later sent a rep to the boat to inspect, tried a software upgrade, and eventually replaced it with a new unit (all of which took several months). The new unit had identical issues. So it went back to Garmin and I got the Vesper XB-8000 instead (both are easy to install, and I installed the Vesper myself). I had the Vesper on my R27 for several years before we got the R31, and I knew I would be happy with it. It has been rock solid.

It sounds like Garmin has fixed the software issues on the 800. So it should be a reliable option. If it were me, though, I'd still get the Vesper. Here are my basic reasons why:

1) Updates/upgrades: Vesper is very dedicated to it's AIS products and frequently improves them. Every improvement is available via software upgrades. XB-8000 owners have not had to purchase new hardware to get the full benefit of everything Vesper does to improve its product. The platform appears to be almost infinitely upgradable via software.

2) WiFi and App: Both units will work equally well with the Garmin chartplotter and talk to the NMEA backbone. Where the Vesper has an edge (and it is a big one for me) is that it creates its own Wifi, which then gives you AIS functionality on a supplemental computer, tablet, or smartphone as well as on your chart plotter. That has permitted me to run the Vesper app on my iPad (and my iPhone), giving me AIS control and visuals on a separate screen. That is handier for me when I am doing all my own navigation (I have to change screens on the Garmin to get details for AIS targets, a list of targets, etc). It also permits me to have a crew member monitor AIS independently (very valuable for nighttime parading during the winter Christmas Ships parade season here on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers, both of which have heavy commercial shipping traffic).

3) Other functionality: Vesper lets me fine-tune alarms, targets, etc to a higher degree than the Garmin unit did. Garmin may have addressed that, or may in the future, through software upgrades. But so far, I think Vesper has more functional and customizable user settings.

One way to assess those and other differences would be to read through the user manuals of both. The info on the Vesper website will give you a good sense of what the XB-8000 permits you to do through the Wifi and app. Then compare to the instruction manual for the Garmin.

Finally, the Vesper Cortex unit is amazing. If I were getting AIS anew, and if I could afford it, that is what I would get. I've been watching it since it was first announced about a year ago. There's nothing else like it on the market, and I think predictions are right that it will change VHF/AIS integration in much the same way that smart phones have changed how we use cell phones. Cortex's release was delayed substantially by Covid and the coast guard approval process. But it has been shipping in fits and starts since the end of August, and now seems to finally be in stock in a few places. One of those is Milltech Marine, in Seattle, which is where I got my first Vesper unit. The staff there are really helpful for anyone who wants to call and get their thoughts on the new Cortex or other models and brands (they sell both Garmin and Vesper, as well as many other brands).

And yes, I am itching to upgrade to the Cortex . . . It's probably just a matter of time for me. 😉

Finally, FWIW: I am not critical of Garmin at all. I happen to be a huge Garmin fan, and have been since I got my first handheld black and white screen marine GPS back in the mid-90s. My boat electronics, and my auto and handheld GPS units, have all been Garmin for over 20 years. But NMEA 2000 permits intrabrand functionality. And sometimes, specialty companies have benefits over companies that try to be all things to all people (and all vehicles). For me, Vesper came out ahead of Garmin on AIS.

Gini
 
thank you - very useful information and guidance.

Gin":3p8h41tm said:
2) WiFi and App: Both units will work equally well with the Garmin chartplotter and talk to the NMEA backbone. Where the Vesper has an edge (and it is a big one for me) is that it creates its own Wifi, which then gives you AIS functionality on a supplemental computer, tablet, or smartphone as well as on your chart plotter. That has permitted me to run the Vesper app on my iPad (and my iPhone), giving me AIS control and visuals on a separate screen. That is handier for me when I am doing all my own navigation (I have to change screens on the Garmin to get details for AIS targets, a list of targets, etc). It also permits me to have a crew member monitor AIS independently (very valuable for nighttime parading during the winter Christmas Ships parade season here on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers, both of which have heavy commercial shipping traffic).
Gini

Since the Garmin units provide a local wireless (wifi) network too, is the difference the ability to use your ipad as a supplemental screen? What software are you using on the iPad, iPhone for this?


Thank you!
 
The Garmin WiFi is useful for some other things, but (to my knowledge) it won’t do what the Vesper app will do. With the Garmin WiFi, you use Active Captain (running on your tablet or smartphone) to update software, run maps remotely (as for planning routes from home), and to duplicate your “helm”. That helm function essentially lets you mirror the chart plotter view on a tablet or similar device. I thought it was kind of cool when I first saw it, but I haven’t found it all that useful in practice. Unlike the Vesper app, Active Captain does not give you the equivalent of a dedicated AIS screen.

As for the Vesper setup, the only software required to see the AIS screens and to control the settings from a tablet or smartphone is the WatchMate app that Vesper makes available for free. For iPhones, you get it through the App Store. It’s available for Android users through Google Play.

Hope that helps.

Gini
 
We also added the Vesper XB-8000 and are happy that we did. We also upgraded to the Vesper active antenna, which required an complicated install by Monkey Fist in Seattle in order to draw a cable from the roof to the unit behind the dash.

About a month ago, the Vesper’s wifi transmitter stopped functioning and had to be returned to New Zealand for repairs. While Vesper has a representative in the U.S. he does not do repairs, but we shipped the unit to him and he expedited it to N.Z., where it was repaired and returned to me via DHL.
 
Wanted to chime in on the Garmin 800. Ours has worked perfectly for a year now, and besides being more visible to others it is nice to 'see' our boat on Marine Traffic when we're away.

The only minor thing I've noticed with the Garmin 800 is that it has to be rebooted after doing any chartplotter system update. Just pull the fuse and reset it, then it works fine. We also needed to add the external GPS antenna, but it works fine coiled up inside the helm cabinet -- didn't need actual external mounting.

The Vesper units look great too, and were our second choice. Went with Garmin mainly under the assumption that the integration would be simpler.
 
Back
Top