Anchor for Cutwater 28

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Fluid Motion Model
C-24 C
Hull Identification Number
FMLC2805F314
Non-Fluid Motion Model
Cutwater 28
Vessel Name
Exodus
MMSI Number
367583070
We take delivery of our new Cutwater 28 in early July. We think we're going to use the factory anchor as a backup device. The two anchors in consideration for purchase are the Rocna 15 and the Manson Supreme SUP35 both weighing in at around 34 lbs.

Looking at the Pictures of the Cutwater, I wonder if the anchor would stick out far enough in front of the bow for the tip not to strike the the boat when the anchor is fully stowed. I searched through the forum in regard to anchors and couldn't find anything on the Cutwater and what I perceive as a possible problem.

Have any other Cutwater 28 owners installed either of these two anchors on their boats and were there any problems encountered?

Your input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
I put the Manson Supreme on my Tug. I had to move the anchor launch up to the next hole so that it would clear the bow and have enough room forward from the windless. I also had to buy a longer bail so the shank would clear. I originally had the Rocna and had to modify the original bail on that as well.
On retrieval I do get an occasional bang up against the bow, but I guess that is why they have the protective Starboard there. Hopefully this gives you an idea. You can also stop by West Marine and measure one up before you purchase.
 
Do all the Cutwater Owners who cruise this forum use the factory anchors?
 
I don't know about the fit, but you might consider a Rocna 10 (22 lb). After years of successful anchoring in BC and SE Alaska with a Bruce 7.5, we upgraded to the Rocna 10 two years ago. With 40+ feet of chain, it sets and holds very well - it's plenty for our heavy 26-footer (nearly 11,000 lb on the water).
 
We have a R-29 and the Rocna 10 is perfect. It digs in like nothing I've ever used and that is after 40+ years of boating.
Bob
 
Thanks for input. Think Ill go with the Rocna 10 based on your inputs and after speaking with the ever helpful Andrew.
 
We are also using the Rocna here is the Gulf of Alaska and had great success with it holding with our our 50 feet of chain.
 
Where's a good place in the Seattle Tacoma area to buy a Rocna anchor. I didn't see them on the West Marine site.
 
Longbranch Louie":1vupgcp7 said:
Where's a good place in the Seattle Tacoma area to buy a Rocna anchor. I didn't see them on the West Marine site.
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Fisheries Supply in Fremont.

Cheers,

Bruce
 
I bought mine from Defender Marine, they were on sale not long ago,
 
Hi -- I use the Bruce 22lb anchor on mine with a 50 foot chain and about 250 foot of rope. I've anchored in 1-2s 35 miles off the western shore of Tampa (approx 80ft deep) and it held great. Some question the extra long chain, but I have no issues and the windlass pulls it just fine as long as you keep the line straight off the bow.
 
For those considering a Cutwater 28. I ended up purchasing a Manson Supreme for our 28. Haven't taken delivery of the boat yet, but I hauled the anchor up to the factory, and Andrew stuck it in through the Anchor port on the bow of the boat. Oddly enough the length of the blade on the anchor is not a problem which surprised me. The problem is the how the shaft of the anchor curves around to meet the blade is a wide curve (very square on factory anchor), and the Cutwaters actually have a square hole in the boat bow the anchors are released through. The height of this hole is short enough that the Anchor shaft actually contacts the SS sheet metal surrounds the edge of the hole. I could see on a new 28 at the factory that the factory Bruce Type anchor also was contacting this metal trim and bending it with the anchor pulled up against the bow roller. Were I placing the order today, I would ask to have the anchor roller/release system from the Cutwater 30 installed on the 28 as it sticks out 4" further from the bow and would alleviate this problem and would probably make it easier to use a heavier anchor. We may have our boat modified to put the 30' system on our boat, but we are too late into the delivery process now to change paths easily. Food for thought for those who may be slightly less OC than me who contemplate such mundane things.
 
Did you try the Rocna? The shaft is smaller and different than the Manson Supreme. That may eliminate having to do a mod. The Rocana costs more, but overall may be less expensive when you net it out. As I said in an earlier post, I had the Rocna and on my particular Anchor there was a manufacturing defect in the run and I believe that issue has been resolved. The anchor worked great, so I don't think you will be loosing performance.

Good luck!
Mike Rizzo
 
Has anybody got the Rocna 15 on the cutwater 28? or did you all go the Rocna 10?

The other option I am considering is the new Vulcan 12 from Rocna.
anybody got one of these installed on the 28?

I had a friend CNC some cardboard cutouts of the 15 and 10 Rocna's to test on the bow roller but it was pouring with rain and they would have gone soggy!
 
All at Sea (http://www.allatsea.net) did a test of various anchors on the Chesapeake Bay a little over a year ago and the Rocna did not fare as well as others. Here's a direct link to the article. http://www.allatsea.net/best-anchor-for-mud/ At the bottom of the article is a link to the actual test results. The Chesapeake Bay is primarily mud (and leaves in many places) so take this into consideration when reviewing the data.

West Marine and Sail Magazine did a similar test in 2006 with a sandy bottom and the Rocna fared much better. Here is a link to the test results. http://newcontent.westmarine.com/content/documents/pdfs/WestAdvisor/2006-Anchor-Tests.pdf
 
thanks Seadot, alas that test is biased as it was run by Fortress. surprise surprise the fortress came out on top. doubly worse every magazine then picked up that test as gospel so everyone from boatus and Sail magazine is using the same data.

I am pretty certain of my selection of the Rocna. I am just trying to ascertain what size will fit and hear from cutwater owners that have the Rocna installed.

Here's a test series that supports Rocna anchors:
http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php
again its marketing and biased but thats still the model I plan to go with.
 
I certainly understand the perception that the Chesapeake Bay soft mud test might have been biased in some way since we at Fortress sponsored it.

However, over the course of 4 full days, and in full view of several very experienced boating writers, 60 tests were conducted 5x for the 11 anchors,and the Fortress was tested at both the 32° and 45° (for soft mud) angles. The test protocol was also set under advisement by our paid consultant Robert Taylor, a retired US Navy anchor design and soil mechanics expert with over 45 years in the field.

During these 60 tests every single anchor was pulled in a fresh sea bed using the exact same starting scope, and for the exact same distance, time and speed while monitors and sophisticated equipment aboard recorded the results. The entire process was totally transparent and was witnessed by everyone on the deck of the 81-ft Rachel Carson research vessel, which Fortress had chartered.

Interestingly enough, no anchor performed superbly during every pull test....not even the Fortress, which was to be expected in this type of difficult bottom condition.

While many aboard were surprised at some of the poor test results, particularly for the highly-touted new generation anchors, they did not come as any surprise to Bob, who stated afterwards that "anchors which are designed and optimized for harder soils will oftentimes only have a holding ratio (holding power divided by anchor weight) of 10-15x when used in soft mud," and that is almost exactly what was found in the Chesapeake Bay tests.

The 44-46 lbs (20-21 kg) old and new generation steel anchors typically developed maximum loads of only 450 - 700 lbs (200 - 315 kg), while the 35 lb (16 kg) Danforth HT and 21 lb (10 kg) Fortress FX-37 @ the 32° angle achieved maximum loads of almost 1,000 lbs (450 kg).

The 21 lb (10 kg) FX-37 almost doubled its holding power to 1,900 lbs (850 kg) when set at the 45° angle for soft mud. While Fortress holds a US patent for the adjustable 32°/45° shank/fluke angle, widening this angle to improve holding power in soft mud is certainly no secret, as Bruce, the US Navy, and Vryhof all manufacture anchors with a wider shank/fluke angle capability.

Safe anchoring,
Brian

Fortress Marine Anchors
 
Thanks for the post Fortress.

Another set of independent local anchor testing to the PNW is located in this thread on SailingAnarchy.
I am not involved in this exercise but I found the videos of various anchors setting very interesting.

its a worthy read http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=169269
 
I agree that Steve / Panope's underwater videos showing various anchor's setting and holding capabilities are very interesting, and he has also posted them on Cruisers Forum, Trawler Forum and on a YouTube channel:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f11 ... 12-14.html

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s42/ ... 78-18.html

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s42/ ... 78-18.html

Steve's recent "Compilation" video with a summary of all of his tests is sure to spark further debate!

Be safe,
Brian
 
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