Any Trailers for R 27 for sale??
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Carefully compare the advantages of a three axle as opposed to a two axle. I've had both, now on a three axle, wouldn't ever go back to a two.
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For a RT27 you are probably looking at 12,000 to 14,000 pounds towing weight - which includes the weight of a tandem axle trailer. That works out to 3,000 to 3,500 pounds load on each tire. Not a lot of trailer tires out there that can handle that load. Plus with a tandem axle you need to be able to react to a flat or tire blowout immediately!
All that said, I’d be ok with a properly built tandem axle using Load Range E truck tires for a RT 27 Classic with the right tow vehicle. I’d do my best to keep the weight under 12,500 as well - no fresh water, low fuel and empty holding tanks while towing.
PS: If you are referring to the RT 27 OB, you will need a tripple due to the weight distribution issues associated with that big engine hanging off the end.
All that said, I’d be ok with a properly built tandem axle using Load Range E truck tires for a RT 27 Classic with the right tow vehicle. I’d do my best to keep the weight under 12,500 as well - no fresh water, low fuel and empty holding tanks while towing.
PS: If you are referring to the RT 27 OB, you will need a tripple due to the weight distribution issues associated with that big engine hanging off the end.
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I have an aluminum trailer for my r27 that was less than 2500lbs. Either boat mostly empty it trailers fine as long as you make sure it is proper seated against the bow stop. If not, it makes an interesting experience with bouncing. Don’t ask how I know. I did replace the tires with some higher quality truck type and keep two spares on me when traveling. Never had a blow out yet but blisters had developed on two tires during travel thru mountains and hotter areas
Towing is fine with my ram2500 diesel. I also would keep proper tools with my to change the tires on the road, rotary impact driver and at least two jacks. Checking tires frequently is good practice too. Taking it slow is probably the best advice. Most of these tires are rated to be used under certain top speeds. Going fast will distroy them faster at a significant higher risk
Towing is fine with my ram2500 diesel. I also would keep proper tools with my to change the tires on the road, rotary impact driver and at least two jacks. Checking tires frequently is good practice too. Taking it slow is probably the best advice. Most of these tires are rated to be used under certain top speeds. Going fast will distroy them faster at a significant higher risk
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Johnw, glad you asked however I’m not going to get in an internet argument so let’s see what we can agree upon.
Can we agree adding an axle reduces the load on all the tires, bearings, brakes and wheels by 50%? Can we agree adding an axle increases your braking capacity by 50%?
And because of the reduced load and increased braking can we agree all six tires, bearings, brakes and wheels run cooler? That’s been my experience checking with an infrared thermometer.
Can we agree all of the above reduces, (perhaps by 50%) and surely does not increase your “blowout odds” some folks here on the “Nuts rattle on about and whatever the heck that is?
Can we agree adding an axle decreases the percent of the maximum capacity of the tires, bearings, brakes and wheels that’s being used, creating an always present safety cushion so to speak especially if for some reason said capacity was suddenly reduced say by a blowout?
Can we agree losing a tire on a four tire trailer represents 25% loss of capacity and braking?
Can we agree when, not if, that happens the load on the only other tire on that side instantly doubles?
Can we agree the second tire is then likely to fail resulting in one side completely without tires or brakes?
That’s what happened to me when I lost one tire and then the other on the same side towing a two axle trailer. Man, when that second one blew lemme tell ya things got really really sporty and I don’t wish that on anybody!
My tow vehicle outweighing the boat and trailer is the only thing that kept the wife and I in this world. The tail was wagging the dog at any brake application so I just kept downshifting that F-450 Crew Cab Dually 4X4 and everything stayed in a straight line while one side of that two axle trailer ground itself down to nothing!
And now I just love the tri axle I’m towing. If on a downhill I activate the brakes there’s six of them and they don’t get nearly as hot as those four brakes and tires and wheels and bearings used to.
And now my boat is an additional 6 feet further from my truck, no more immersing any truck part in salt water.
Going down the road, input from trailer to truck has been virtually eliminated it’s smooth sailing.
You’re starting from no trailer at all, so except for more buy in cost what do you see as any disadvantages with a triple axle over a dual?
It is longer, I’m 62 feet instead of 56, there’s two more tires every five or so years, brakes actually are lasting longer, so I dunno.
Also, can you let me know the heaviest weight you’ve towed and how far?
Me, I’m in my 60s, heaviest was 80,000 pounds and that was for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of miles.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not holding myself out as some mistake free, on high “blowout odds” guru; when I pulled heavy I blew an engine on the uphill and had to get out on the fuel tank ready to jump because the brakes weren't going to hold her on that incline once she stopped and one time I laid the whole thing on it’s side after tearing the back trailer completely loose; Johnw, I am the voice of experience.
Can we agree adding an axle reduces the load on all the tires, bearings, brakes and wheels by 50%? Can we agree adding an axle increases your braking capacity by 50%?
And because of the reduced load and increased braking can we agree all six tires, bearings, brakes and wheels run cooler? That’s been my experience checking with an infrared thermometer.
Can we agree all of the above reduces, (perhaps by 50%) and surely does not increase your “blowout odds” some folks here on the “Nuts rattle on about and whatever the heck that is?
Can we agree adding an axle decreases the percent of the maximum capacity of the tires, bearings, brakes and wheels that’s being used, creating an always present safety cushion so to speak especially if for some reason said capacity was suddenly reduced say by a blowout?
Can we agree losing a tire on a four tire trailer represents 25% loss of capacity and braking?
Can we agree when, not if, that happens the load on the only other tire on that side instantly doubles?
Can we agree the second tire is then likely to fail resulting in one side completely without tires or brakes?
That’s what happened to me when I lost one tire and then the other on the same side towing a two axle trailer. Man, when that second one blew lemme tell ya things got really really sporty and I don’t wish that on anybody!
My tow vehicle outweighing the boat and trailer is the only thing that kept the wife and I in this world. The tail was wagging the dog at any brake application so I just kept downshifting that F-450 Crew Cab Dually 4X4 and everything stayed in a straight line while one side of that two axle trailer ground itself down to nothing!
And now I just love the tri axle I’m towing. If on a downhill I activate the brakes there’s six of them and they don’t get nearly as hot as those four brakes and tires and wheels and bearings used to.
And now my boat is an additional 6 feet further from my truck, no more immersing any truck part in salt water.
Going down the road, input from trailer to truck has been virtually eliminated it’s smooth sailing.
You’re starting from no trailer at all, so except for more buy in cost what do you see as any disadvantages with a triple axle over a dual?
It is longer, I’m 62 feet instead of 56, there’s two more tires every five or so years, brakes actually are lasting longer, so I dunno.
Also, can you let me know the heaviest weight you’ve towed and how far?
Me, I’m in my 60s, heaviest was 80,000 pounds and that was for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of miles.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not holding myself out as some mistake free, on high “blowout odds” guru; when I pulled heavy I blew an engine on the uphill and had to get out on the fuel tank ready to jump because the brakes weren't going to hold her on that incline once she stopped and one time I laid the whole thing on it’s side after tearing the back trailer completely loose; Johnw, I am the voice of experience.
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I echo all of the positive comments about trailering the R 27 with the addition of putting on H rated tires specifically trailer tires my understanding is that trailer tires have a heavier side wall to prevent the sides way in the flexing that normal car tires provide not sure if truck tires are built for limited side wall moment. I keep my speed under 55 have driven across country to Alaska then down to Big Bend Texas through Death Valley and back to Florida. About 20,000 miles with no tire problem. Before my trip to Canada this summer, I rotated the trailer tires as I noted some wear on the aft tires. Three seasons of towing. I had to replace my trailer fenders with 3/16” aluminum as the factory fenders flexed to death, and before they tore up a tire I replaced them. I also installed a more substantial bow stop that incorporated stair treads to make it easier to get on the boat from the bow when launching. I also put a camera on the stern rail to see directly behind the boat, with a screen in the cab. In addition I tapped into the trailer lights and added two large tail and stop lights leds that are mounted on the out board edges of the swim platform for eye level visability particularly for turn signals.
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Tugnnaweigh,
You are absolutely correct on everything you say about the benefits of a triple axle trailer. You are pulling a boat that weights almost 4,000 pounds more than a RT 27 Classic. Your load is even heavier compared to the RT 27 if you tow with 1/2 full fuel and fresh water as you have bigger tanks!
If I were pulling that much weight I might consider a four axle trailer! Seriously, you are pulling a huge load!!
The RT 27 is a lighter boat and a much lighter load. The Ranger Tug folks sold a twin axle trailer for that boat for years. If for nothing other than liability issues I’m guessing they did their homework and sold a trailer up to the job it was being asked to do.
Yes, a triple axle would be better for the RT 27 Classic. But if the OP is looking for one of the used trailers RT originally sold for the RT 27, he will probably find it is a twin axle trailer.
He just needs to make sure the tires and braking system is up to snuff. Just MHO.
You are absolutely correct on everything you say about the benefits of a triple axle trailer. You are pulling a boat that weights almost 4,000 pounds more than a RT 27 Classic. Your load is even heavier compared to the RT 27 if you tow with 1/2 full fuel and fresh water as you have bigger tanks!
If I were pulling that much weight I might consider a four axle trailer! Seriously, you are pulling a huge load!!
The RT 27 is a lighter boat and a much lighter load. The Ranger Tug folks sold a twin axle trailer for that boat for years. If for nothing other than liability issues I’m guessing they did their homework and sold a trailer up to the job it was being asked to do.
Yes, a triple axle would be better for the RT 27 Classic. But if the OP is looking for one of the used trailers RT originally sold for the RT 27, he will probably find it is a twin axle trailer.
He just needs to make sure the tires and braking system is up to snuff. Just MHO.
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One fact not discussed is how much trailering you think you will do. If you live within 20 miles of where you will be putting in you dont need to over fo it. I have a twin 6,000 lb axels, live in relatively flat florida and on the water. But I wanted a trailer to pull it out for storms and short trips. Triple axle would have been overkill for sure. I am sure i will not be traveling 100,000s of miles. Brakes fine and handles fine. If i knew i was going to be towing a lot and did not live on the water i might have considered a triple but dual seems ok for my needs.
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I don't want to get in a debate of tandem or Triple Axel trailer. There are Pro's and Con's to both and I have to agree , how the trailer is used and how often is a big decision on number of axels and condition of trailer . There are many towing 27' Ranger's with Tandem Axel trailers with thousands of miles without incident. One very important component of towing regardless of how many axels is preventative maintenance. A tandem Axel trailer with 6500lbs axels, good tires, bearings serviced, Brakes inspected -fluid,lines,brake cylinders, drums or rotors and pads. The boat adjusted properly on the trailer and the trailer riding level with the tow vehicle. I believe this rig will go down the road safely. Is the triple Axel going to be safer? Debatable, but it may give a little more piece of mind. The 27' is close to the limit but as many have proven very doable and done safely.
We have a C26 close to the same weight as a 27 Ranger. We went with triple Axel custom trailer, it was very close to the same price as the factory trailer. If a good used trailer is not available the Integrity trailer may be a good option. Some benefits full bunk trailer, easy drive-on design, 3- 6500lbs axels, cut outs in the bunks for travel lift straps ( option of travel lift loading or launch ramp, aluminum, channel construction all welded. Tongue design will adapt weight distribution bars. Small company builds one at a time. Located in Michigan http://www.integritytrailers.com/ Just another option, good luck in your search, hopefully you can find a good used trailer..
We have a C26 close to the same weight as a 27 Ranger. We went with triple Axel custom trailer, it was very close to the same price as the factory trailer. If a good used trailer is not available the Integrity trailer may be a good option. Some benefits full bunk trailer, easy drive-on design, 3- 6500lbs axels, cut outs in the bunks for travel lift straps ( option of travel lift loading or launch ramp, aluminum, channel construction all welded. Tongue design will adapt weight distribution bars. Small company builds one at a time. Located in Michigan http://www.integritytrailers.com/ Just another option, good luck in your search, hopefully you can find a good used trailer..
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