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We're not new to boating but new to trailerable boating and we're wanting to get opinions on who's inland lake and river paper charts are better to use as a addition to a GPS. Say Lake Powell as an example.
 
Lake Powell's kind of a special case, because depending on the precipitation for the last few years the water level can vary 100 feet or more. So the position of the shoreline and rocks near the surface that you need to worry about varies tremendously.

Pretty simple paper charts such as the Fish-n-Maps (2 cover the whole lake) are handy to help you know roughly where you are on the lake, but you have to do hazard avoidance by fishfinder and eyeball. Charts make it fairly easy to see where the main river channel is, and it's always way deep there, but sometimes there's a chunk of shallow rock right at the edge of that main channel, out a good distance from the shoreline where you might not expect it. Depth can go from 200 feet to 2 feet in no time flat.

Fortunately, if there's sunlight, rock shallow enough to hurt you will generally show in a light tan or almost white color - except in the upper reaches of the side canyons, where the water is murky enough you can't see through it. There you have to go slow and watch your fishfinder like a hawk.

Most of the time (not always, however) when you get a ways up a side canyon the bottom will become very flat, getting shallower very slowly as you go further up. This is silt deposit, and pretty soft, but sometimes there's a rock sticking up. The silt bottom goes up and down each year too - but not necessarily in concert with the water level. The position of the silt bottom depends on how much has been washed down by rainstorms, or how much has been scoured out by really major water flow.
 
I have had difficulty with this subject since most of my time is spent on Tennessee. All charts seem to be based on outdated Corp of Engineers surveys which are quite old. TVA operated a store in Chatanooga with online service & call up ordering but their stuff is just based on C of E surveys. Charts contain warnings not to be used for navigation. The depth condition of commerical channels are generally maintained but some otherwise very nice coves can be heavy with silt not shown on charts. Bouys & even lights are often not located where charts say.

Does anyone know of a source of updated charts for eastern rivers that are better than mine?
 
I've used Maptech and Richardsons for the East Coast Rivers, ICW, Sounds, Bays etc and they're a very helpful addition to a GPS but I like you have only used the Army Corp charts for the Tennessee River. Hope this helps.

JIm F
 
I have made 6 or 7 trips on Powell--I use both the Fish-n-Map that Richard mentions, the KingFisher Map (and they have maps of many of the US lakes which are good topo maps also). Also there is a laminated map, which shows the major canyons, on one side and the photos on the other side--this is nice to put on the table and use for planing. There are many chart chips for Powell also. I have always had some GPS which showed what canyon I was about to enter. As Richard notes, Powell is eye ball navigation--and you want to be careful--because there are some places which are only 12" deep. The water has varied over 300 feet during the time I have been boating there--so it changes every year--and every day. The level is let down or kept up by both power and irrigation demands.

For the Rivers, I use the Corp of Engineer books--I have mostly older ones--the river has not changed! Use Active Captain to annotate the charts and find the good places to anchor and get supplies etc. I also have chart chips, such as the C-Map and Navionic charts (one of the reasons I have two brands of chart plotters). The i pad is another resource with HD navionics maps and charts at a bargain price. All of The Corp of Engineers are available free on the internet for down load to your computer. There are several programs which allow your GPS to be used with these.
 
Unfortunately, many of the best chart books are no longer published. Even companies that still produce some have cut back the coverage areas. GPS with charts has doomed them. But I still like to have paper onboard. I guess individual NOAA Print-On-Demand charts might be the best bet for now. Our local outfitter can provide them in about half-an-hour.

One of the best feature of the charts for the Tennessee and Tenn-Tom Waterway is the names of the bends and other landmarks on the river. There are also mile boards along the bank which are noted on the charts. The Tenn-Tom wanders around (in some places the chart looks like an "S" or even an Omega) and visibility is short. Listening to the traffic on the radio will always let you know when a towboat is near since they will announce their locations when in places with a lot of tight turns. You can reply with your location and ask them how they would prefer to meet you. They are all skilled boatmen and will do their best to help pleasure craft when they can. We have even locked through with our lines on the bollards of a tow's barges a couple times. How easy is that?

We have had several "interesting" problems on the Tennessee and the Tenn-Tom Waterway which charts do not even help. In one spot a bridge was dynamited when the replacement was ready. We anchored overnight just below the new bridge and a local came by to tell us we might have a problem with our anchor. Our 35# CQR was hung up in the old steel. Fortunately, whenever the risk of snags was present we always used a trip line. I was able to use the trip-line to winch the anchor on deck. But the chain and rope rode was still entangled in the steel. I figured if I had the anchor, losing the rode would not be good, but a lot less expensive. I finally took the anchor off the chain and used 44 hp to pull the rode through the steel. We recovered it all, and all in good condition.

Another time after some major flooding we "recovered" an intact oak tree about 80 feet tall. That was another couple of hours shot. And the trip-line was an anchor saver yet again. On the more "active" rivers, snags of all sorts are a real hazard, and uncharted of course.
 
In case you have not heard, NOAA has some BookletCharts that cover the coastal waterways. Sorry, they don't do inland waterways. The booklets are designed so you can download them for FREE and print them on your printer on 8.5x11 paper. You can then keep them in booklet form (mini ADC book format) or lay them out in large chart format using a stapler or tape. A little Pilot is included that is applicable for that chart. Here is the link
http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/BookletChart.html

Hint: Click on Chart Catalogs under Resources first to find the number of the chart you want. Then click on the coast you want (e.g. Atlantic Coast) to get a numerical listing of the charts for that coast.
 
I have used the NOAA site extensively. My favorite is the "Online Charts" which I scroll and scale on my monitor and then capture the image and print it.

I find that the NOAA Chart Booklets and the method I describe above does require a lot of page turning. We used to have the full-size BBA chart kits for all of the area from Louisiana to The Chesapeake, and also for The Bahamas. They are actually my favorite since you can travel a fairly long distance on a single page, but detailed pages are also available. It appears that the one for our current and only intended cruising area, the northern Gulf of Mexico, has been removed from print. I still regret having sold ours when we got out of boating 😉 in 2003. While the detail would be out of date, they would still be good for planning (and for the areas we will never travel again, for reminiscences).

One advantage of the Booklet Charts, or of my home-brewed method from the Online Charts, is that if one blows away or gets soaked in the cockpit, one can simply knock out another at home.

For now, in addition to the individual pages I print, we can obtain official full-size NOAA charts for our current cruising area. There are nice strip charts for that area, and a Print-on-Demand agent is only 6 miles from our house. I assume those will be available and updated for some time to come since there is a fair amount of commercial traffic in these waters. There is a link on the NOAA site which helps one find an agent in his area.
 
Hello Jim and Lisa,

With all the changes in technology, we have decided that we will not be buying more paper charts. We have always been "belt and suspenders" regarding navigation, with my wife always following along with the paper charts while I used the chartplotter. With the availability of charts on DVD or free downloads, the easy and inexpensive apps for the iPad, and the HUGE investment of chart cards for the chartplotter, we feel there is sufficient redundancy. We still intend to buy cruising guides for any new areas we're in.

Some of the inland waters we've cruised do not have decent charting. With the iPad and Google Maps, you have a good idea of what's ahead. With the Navionics app covering all the US and Canada for $34.99, you have the equivalence of paper charts, where they exist.

I enjoyed looking at your website. I think you'll find trailer cruising to be a unique way to travel. Have you made any decisions about which boat? We bought our C-Dory 5 years ago and have put a lot of miles on the boat and trailer (around 45,000). It is certainly possible to live large on a small boat. Good luck with your plans.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Jim B: Thanks for the info, I'm especially intrigued by the ipad downloads. We will be buying one soon and look forward to maybe using this as our backup where we do not or can not get charts as well as doing research about future cruising when away from the boat. Yes we have decided on a boat and have just recently placed an order for a Ranger 27 and are excited to be getting back out on the water exploring the country the way you are doing, it seems to lend to more flexibility in where and when you can go that you can not get in a non trailerable boat. Thanks again for the information.
 
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