Dingy Outboards (again!) and EP Carry question

Gin

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Hi all,

I know this topic has been covered a lot. I think I have read all the threads there are on it. I'm looking for anyone to chime in with ownership experience on the outboards I'm considering and also wondering if anyone here has any experience with the EP Carry electric, made in North Bend, Washington (read on -- I get to it towards the end of this long write up).

I've never had a dingy. But I think I am about to take the plunge. I am narrowing the options, and it will be an inflatable in a 65lb to 85lb weight range (likely either an AB or Achilles, with either a high pressure air deck or aluminum rib).

One of the biggest issues for me is having confidence I can retrieve and launch single-handed. I am reasonably strong for a light-framed woman in her mid-60s, but that still means I'm not all that strong, especially when things are moving and sliding about, as boats and dingies inevitably do. I need the lightest setup that my dingy use can justify.

If I go with a big enough outboard to get on plane, I will need to get at least a 5-6 hp, at 60 lbs or so, or more likely 8 to 9.9hp (at 90 lbs and up). Right now, my uses are more low key -- the option to anchor out and get to a nearby shore and back, and to explore back bays and channels in good or at least predictable conditions. If I decide in time I want to do more and that safety requires the ability to go faster or buck stiff wind and current, I could later invest in a bigger outboard, which in turn would mean adding a hoist (I like the Garhauer a lot) and rail mount for the outboard, and inject the complications of mounting on and off the dingy. So I'm going to start small and light.

Here's my short list of outboard options:

- Suzuki 2.5: quiet, water-cooled, affordable, and extra light at 30 lbs. Suzuki as a brand has a lot of detractors, but several on this forum seem to have had good luck with them.
- Tohatsu 3.5: heavier at 41 lbs, but a good gas option for about $240 more than the Suzuki.

I've tentatively ruled out the smaller Honda and Yamaha (2.3 and 2.5 respectively) because they are air cooled and more noisy, and have the weird requirement of turning the engine around backwards to go in reverse. I also don't think they have the option of connecting to an auxiliary gas tank.

As for electric outboards, they intrigue me. But the Torqeedo is SO EXPENSIVE, and I get uneasy every time I read through all the user experiences in other forums throughout the internet, some of which are fine, but many of which are on the very negative side.

But there is one other electric option I haven't seen discussed here: the EP Carry: https://www.electricpaddle.com It has less power than the Torqeedo, and all the limitations of an electric. But I love the ease of use, weight (15 for motor, 6 for battery), and what I think is top notch quality and support (user reviews on those scores are excellent). Like the Torqeedo, it is a much more expensive option than a gas outboard, but for casual and light uses, it would be so exceptionally easy to get on and off that I think it would maximize use of the dingy for casual excursions (even in and around the home port). I saw one at the Seattle boat show, and I was impressed. Because they were designed and are made in North Bend, WA, I'm hoping someone on this forum might know more about them and have some experience with them. Anyone?

I welcome any and all other input on outboard options and experience with any of the smaller, lighter outboards!

Gini
Echo II (RT 31)
 
We have the Suzuki 2.5 hp for our dinghy and have been happy with it. Very reliable. Occasionally the pull rope will kick back which is hard on your hand & arm. No reverse on ours so you do have to swing it around backwards for reverse like the other brands.
I use a boat hook in one hand while holding on the the cockpit’s rear rail with the other hand to get the dinghy back up into storage position. Gives me much better leverage.
 
We have an EP Carry and like it. We went that route primarily to avoid carry gasoline and also for the light weight. The pros of the EP Carry are that it is light, stores easily in the cave or a lazarette, good service on the order, and the battery life appears to exceed their stated run time.

The main disadvantage is that it doesn't produce a lot of power and the dinghy will definitely go slowly. I have not measured but would guess it gets up to 3-4 knots with no wind or current and a 180# passenger in a Ranger standard 290 RIB. With current or wind against you, it is slower, perhaps a couple of knots, but that is adequate to get from anchor to shore or to get around a marina. I would not feel comfortable using it to go outside a bay and around an island or across any substantial water.

The attachment is quite easy and it is one of the easiest to mount and carry, for sure. I'm not sure about the durability; we managed to crack the case on the battery attachment cable by accidentally rotating the head the wrong way, and one of the wires got pulled partway loose inside (but still works; I need to inspect it more closely to see about a repair).

Overall we're satisfied with it, and would recommend with note about the modest power output.
 
I run the Kaboat, it's a cross between an inflatable boat and inflatable kayak. it's 48 lbs.
https://www.boatstogo.com/kayaks-sk396.asp

I use a 2.7 Cruise n Carry outboard, this motor hasn't been made since 1989. Found it on eBay 10+ years ago with only 5 hrs on it. It weighs 12 lbs.
If I replace this motor I'm going with this one.
https://newportvessels.com/55lb-thrust- ... ing-motor/
And battery at 38 lbs.
https://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Max-Batte ... AGERY9HX0Z
Newport Vessels recommends a 50 amp hour battery in their FAQ section. The battery will last .98 hours at wide open throttle, better than twice that at 1/2 throttle. Exploring back bays n channels might be a challenge charge wise, but running to the dock n back, or a cruise around the anchorage it'd be fine. Sure is cheaper than EP Carry, or Torqeedo.
Neither the EP, Torqeedo, or Newport will plane an inflatable. There's always trade offs.
 
love my suzuki 2.5. starts first pull

get 4-5 knots easily on my takacat. unless you jump to 6hp I dont see the point of anything stronger.

then you are in the territory of a lot of weight that you need to stow and carry. I dont see the use case for the tug/cutwater. just move the main boat closer to where you want to be.
 
Very helpful input, everyone. Lots of options. I may PM a few of you with more specific questions as I puzzle through the options. Happily, I don’t need to rush a decision, so I’m going to take my time. As in all things boating, you have to pick your compromises. Figuring it out is often part of the fun (and the rest of the time, some of the frustration). As always, this forum is a great resource.

Thanks!

Gini
 
I use a 5hp Nissan 2 stroke that I bought used and have it on my 14 ft kaboat. The motor weighs 27lbs and has an external fuel tank.
 
My last boat (not a Ranger) I had a small zodiac stored on the cabin roof and kept a 5 hp Honda outboard in the cockpit. I mounted a standard outboard motor mount on the back of the cabin wall under the window at the right height and just hung the dinghy outboard there where it was out of the way and easy to retrieve. I also had a 9.9 Yamaha kicker on the stern. I found you really can’t swap them. Well, you can probably use the kicker on the dinghy with the long shaft and high-thrust prop. But trying to push a large boat with a small short-shaft dinghy outboard will get you nowhere fast.
 
Have not been happy with my 3.5 tohatsu. Starts fine, but moving from start to restart position on the throttle often produces a stall. Prof spring tuneup each year, use water inhibitor in both OB tank and supply tank in propane locker.
 
That's a very helpful post, Allbi27. I know of an 8 yr old Tohee 3.5 for resale by someone in my marina. That confirms my instinct to shy away from it.
 
We have our Zodiac Cadet 240 (from another boat) on Kiorana’s stern with the weaver Davits and standoffs that are used by Ranger. Brent did the install and purchased these directly from Weaver (we live in Spokane and Weaver is in Rathdrum). No discounts for locals but we like to support family industries. A unique experience going to Weaver! Part boat shop, part woodworking, part craft shop! All family. But on to the dinghy! We followed Red Ravens install with the motor on the swimstep railing, but moved over, just off the center. We had intended to use the old Suzuki 4hp 2 stroke engine we had, but decided against it. It was hard for us to move the 48lb motor from railing to dinghy stern on a moving dinghy. So we bought the Suzuki 2.5hp motor. Love it! At 29lbs it is so light weight! Brent has no problem starting it but I do, mainly because of bad shoulders. Any motor I would have problems with. We may change our dinghy to a rigid bottom but will decide later. Ours is a roll up floor that we added a foam rigid floor from Costco. Our dinghy is also very light weight. I have no problem by myself lifting the dinghy up to the standoffs. The roll up is somewhat comical for us, however, it without the Costco floor standing is hilarious! But we own the dinghy. Good luck Gin and Colleen! We love our Kiorana!
 
So great to hear from you, Kiorana's new owners! As well as to hear about your great experience with Weaver and with the Suzuki 2.5. Sounds like Kiorana is having wonderful new adventures this summer. Where do you do your boating?

I will watch your posts with interest. Colleen and I both send our best to you, Brent, and Kiorana!

Gini
 
Check out this new generation of super light tenders. I just bought one from Great Britain as they’re not available yet in the States. 6.5’, 550lb capacity... 26 lbs. I have many thousands of miles on rubber boats and this appears to be very well made as well as being very compact when rolled into the included backpack. The inflatable floor is a honeycomb structure like standup paddle boards so it’s extremely rigid. https://www.3dtender.com/FOLDABLE-TENDE ... 7-0-0.html
 
Amazing specs! Report back, please, after you put in some time in it and form an opinion based on your experience.

Gini
 
After reading all the positive comments regarding the Suzuki 2.5 hp, I bought one, $769.00 with free shipping, It'll be here by the end of the week.
 
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