Hull Characteristics Comparisons

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Wow. I'm very excited to find this site. What a treasure trove of knowledge and experience.

I'm looking at the Ranger 25SC and either the 22'er or 25'er from C-Dory. Any input on how either of these hulls compare and contrast? My only experience with motor boats of this size has been on very traditional down-east style lobster boats. I'm very curious how the Ranger or C-Dory would feel compared to these. In chop? Following seas? And in strong tidal river currents?

We'll be using the new boat up and down the Maine coast. Going slow, and sleeping aboard at anchor.

Thank you for any insight,

Ron
 
Hi Ron - I'm sure you'll get some good feedback from the forum. But, you should check the World of Ranger Tugs Map - you'll find several folks with Ranger Tugs on the NE seaboard. Most can be contacted via email or Personal Mail through this board.

Cheers,

Bruce
 
Hi Ron,
I had a 22' C-Dory and just sold it for a new R-27. We loved the C-Dory and almost cried as we left it. It was a great boat! Every boat has its pro's and con's. As far as handling charactaristics, the C-dory only draws 7 inches so you can go just about anywhere and even pull up on a nice beach. With that said, because of the flat bottom, if you are in any considerable chop you need to slow down and be prepared to slam down a bit, so make sure if you have dentures to have the poly-grip handy. The boat is extreamly sea worthy and we have been in 6 foot seas and felt safe providing you take it nice and easy. When docking if the winds are not in your favor it can be a little difficult, but with experience you will get the hang of it.
We decided to go with the Ranger because we wanted a bigger boat, with more ammenities that we could still trail where we wanted to be rather than navigate on the water to get there. We were impressed with the sea trials and it definitely handled the chop, boat wakes and heavier seas better than the C-Dory. So it is all about priorities of your needs, wants and finances and compromise! I hope this helps. Our new R-27 just arrived and we can't wait until spring. Hopefully our decision to go bigger will have been the right one, but that's why they have used boat brokers.
Good luck and have fun shopping.
 
Hi Ron,

Hopefully, you've made it over to the C-Brats forum, as well, since those boats are on your list. The hull characteristics will result in different rides, especially between the 22 C-Dory (less than 3,000 pounds) and the Ranger SC25 (closer to 6,000 pounds). The C-Dory has a flatter hull (about 2º of deadrise) vs the rounded hull of the Ranger; as you'd expect, this will make for different ride/feel. The best thing for you would be to arrange a ride on each of your considerations... in similar conditions would be ideal. Try to attend a C-Brat gathering where there are often Ranger Tugs (most still consider each other "kissing cousins") - you could see plenty of each up close and personal.

For the use you are suggesting (going slow, spending time at anchor), any of these choices will work. In use, they are also different. The 22 is the least expensive, basic, but solid. The 25 C-Dory (the boat we have) has more elbow room, an enclosed head with shower, fridge, hot and cold pressure water; again, the 25 weighs over a ton more than the 22, so there is a significant difference in the ride. The more rounded/v hull on the Ranger will ride different; also another thousand or so pounds heavier than the CD-25. My experience is the hull form on the Ranger is less prone to pounding in chop. The C-Dory hull is more easily planed. Definite differences and advantages for each. The Ranger is certainly more luxuriously appointed than the C-Dory. Diesel vs gas outboard. Major price difference between each. Both have great owners groups.

The C-Dorys will have a greater top end speed. At hull displacement speed, all will give decent fuel mileage (for a boat). Rudder and thrusters for maneuvering the Ranger; more turning cut with the outboard on the C-Dory.

The Ranger Tug factory folks really seem to understand customer service - an important part of the owner experience. C-Dory has had a couple changes in ownership in the past few years, but the most recent folks have a long history in the boat building business.

We first started considering a C-Dory back when Ranger only made the 21' tug; went to the Seattle Boat Show with the intent to buy a 22. After seeing the 22 and the 25 side-by-side, we knew the 25 was a better fit for our cruising style. The Ranger 25 (original model) was in the development stage at that time, and was being marketed by C-Dory (thus, the "cousin" comment earlier). Owners of each model can tell you why they bought what they did, but getting on each of these boats (preferably in the water) will be the best way to narrow down your choice.

To specifically answer your handling questions, my experience with the CD-25 is: handles following seas well (good buoyancy in the stern), easy to control boat speed for the conditions; it will pound at speed in 2+ foot chop, so you trim down the bow or slow down to get a good ride. In heavy seas, the CD-25 is very seaworthy, but you will need to adjust speed for the conditions; the boat can take more than I care to. Comfortable at anchor; since there is a lot of boat above the waterline, it will "sail" at anchor in a good wind, but isn't uncomfortable. You can lessen the swing by using two anchors or a bridle.

If you intend to tow (one of the best features of all the boats you're considering IMHO), you will need more tow vehicle with the CD-25 or the R-25SC compared to the much lighter CD-22. Our CD-25 runs about 8,700 pounds on the trailer; figure closer to 10,000 pounds for the tug; around 4,500 for the CD-22. We tow with a diesel pickup and it is a good match. We've hauled the boat coast to coast to coast. While that may not be in your plans, any of these boats will give you wanderlust. 😀

Good luck with this part of the process - it's part of the fun.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Once again, Jim has framed the whole enchilada in a clear and succinct post. Nice job, Jim.
 
I agree with you Sam! Thanks for being involved with both the C-Brats and the TugNuts user forums Jim.

The only other important difference that we looked at a couple of years ago was the size of the cockpit. The old R-25's wasn't as big as the CD-25. That was significant since we wanted room for guests and for my retreat during food preparation. However that has changed in the new R-25 SC or R-27.

Jeff
 
Thank you all very much. These thoughts and experiences are so helpful to a prospective buyer like myself.

And a special thank you to Jim. Maybe you should should consider a new career--Qualified, Common Sense Boat Buying Consultant. So many newbies like me come to regret our initial lousy boat purchasing decisions that, I wager, you would be in high demand.

I'm planning on trying to get both boats out for sea trials in the near future. Now, all I have to do is find a large pile of cash.

Thanks again, everyone. I'm sure I'll be back soon asking for more advice.
 
maineman":trfpojc6 said:
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I'm planning on trying to get both boats out for sea trials in the near future. Now, all I have to do is find a large pile of cash.

Thanks again, everyone. I'm sure I'll be back soon asking for more advice.

Best to find that large pile of cash first... that will certainly help in the decision-making. Regarding that "first boat regrets": one learns a lot on that first boat. Probably the best lesson for most is the fact that there is work involved in boat owning... and all those people you thought would want to cruise with you go once... and then don't come back, especially when there's work to be done. 😉
 
Boont Boater":xgjb9iq8 said:
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The only other important difference that we looked at a couple of years ago was the size of the cockpit. The old R-25's wasn't as big as the CD-25. That was significant since we wanted room for guests and for my retreat during food preparation. However that has changed in the new R-25 SC or R-27.

Jeff

Indeed! It has be great to see Ranger Tug evolve with these boats. It's obvious they are listening to owner input and acting on that information. Perhaps that is part of reason why they have weathered the economic downturn better than others? Certainly, timing played a big part... but, understanding the niche left fairly wide open when Nordic, American, and other recreational tug builders concentrated their efforts on bigger (non-trailerable) boats was smart on Ranger's part.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Hi Jeff, you and me both, Brother. You and me, both.
 
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