Hull discoloration and water spotting on 2018 R-23

cwalden

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Hi all,
Up until this year, Claret Red hull has had a deep lustre and a flawless finish with a high grade cleaner wax (hand done). This year hull has discoloration (lighter spots) and significant water marks (spotting). Discouraging to say the least. Any recommendations for hull maintenance for this. Using Meguiar Compound/polish but not removing to my satisfaction. Any other products or techniques recommended. Thanks all. Happy summer and happy-safe cruising.
 
The green gelcoat on my 2018 R-23 failed. It had oxidized and I had it compounded two years in a row. each time by mid year the oxidation returned. My boat detailer recommend I not have it compounded again as the gelcoat was getting thin.
My boat is currently in the shop getting the green hull painted with two part epoxy paint.
 
SgtAlf":3byhqet7 said:
The green gelcoat on my 2018 R-23 failed. It had oxidized and I had it compounded two years in a row. each time by mid year the oxidation returned. My boat detailer recommend I not have it compounded again as the gelcoat was getting thin.
My boat is currently in the shop getting the green hull painted with two part epoxy paint.
Thanks! Doesn’t speak very well for the manufacturing and QC aspect of Fluid Motion or Ranger. This cosmetic issue depreciates the boat faster than any mechanical issue in my book!
A 5-6 year old hull should not require Imron or Awlgrip this soon! Shame on Ranger with all the Claret, Blue and Green hulls out there. Thanks for responding so quickly.


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I tried everything (Claret Red) and the only thing that remover the water spots to my satisfaction was Baking Soda mixed with water forming a thin slurry. I used a DA polisher to apply. Give it a try. Now the oxidation was a different story this year. For that I used Meguiars 105 with an orange pad and finished with Meguiars 205 with a black pad. Then applied Permanon Yacht Supershine. Looks great! But time will tell…….
Jimmy
 
Once oxidation sets in which unfortunately it does with all gel coat finishes to bring back that new boat looking luster gets harder and harder. Unfortunately Fluid Motion did not use a high grade Gel coat and the thickness of the gel was not uniform. Old school build technics I guess! The Gel coat on the Fluid Motion boats has a bit to be desired. I guess with anything you take the good and bad with any manufactured product.

My steps of yearly hull and top side Fluff and buff. This was my procedure when I owned a blue hull Cutwater C26 2016 that I sold in 2021.

First step is to remove all water spots and stains. Rubber gloves and a couple spray bottles of Lime-away. I do a 2' wide section at a time from rum rail ti bottom paint line. Spray it let it soak and then wipe it until it appears all stains and water spots are removed. Rinse with water and dry. Look at the hull finish if the stains and water spots are gone move on to the next section. From the bow back to the helm area the hull on my Cutwater had the largest concentration of water spots. It would take a couple of applications of Lime-away to completely clean the hull so there were not spots and the gel was clean. When I had completed the hull cleaning process with the Lime-away step two was started.

Step two is using a good grade compound ( Not one does all cleaner wax) I use Wizards Turbo Cut. This will cut through the oxidation and removes any fine scratches from fenders or light dock rash. I again do a 2' section at a time. When I finish an area I wipe it down and confirm a uniform finish. Then move on to the next section. Use a rotary buffer for best results with this step. When the compound buffing is complete I use a polishing compound.

Third step is to polish the hull. I Marine 31 One step compound and polish. Repeat the the compound 2' section at a time. This can be applied with either a wool pad on a rotary buffer or a white foam pad on a random orbital. Polish a section and when the section is complete wipe it down with a soft cloth. You will really start to see the hull coming back now. Once this is completed.

Forth step. I use Marine 31 Carnauba wax and protectant. I apply this to the complete hull using a random orbital buffer with a black foam pad buff it in lightly and cover the complete hull with a thin layer of wax. When the complete hull is coated with wax go back to your wax application starting point and start to remove the wax with a clean new black foam pad. Again do 2' sections during removal of the wax and wipe the area down with a soft rag for inspection. This is when you will see that all this work paid off.

After all the wax is removed I use a over the counter spray on ceramic detailer wax. This will help shed the water spots from sticking over about a 3 month season. A reapplication of this every couple of months will keep all that work you did looking good. There are many of theses products on the market. I use Meguiars ceramic detailer for this. I used this product while I was doing the Loop last year. I did the full procedure described before leaving on the 14 month trip. Every 2 months I would spend an afternoon wiping another coat of the Meguiars on the top side and hull. Drop the dinghy and wipe the hull. The boat shined the whole time. https://www.amazon.com/sspa/click?ie=UT ... %26psc%3D1

This is a photo of my 2016 C26 Cutwater just before I sold it in June of 2021. The boat had over 10,000 miles over the road traveling and about 4000 miles under its keel with 650 hours of engine run time. It was used in salt and fresh water.
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The top sides looked the same as the hull. I did the top sides first then covered the top sides with plastic so I didn't get compound dust all over it.

It sounds like a lot of work. I did the complete C26 Top sides including the roof, non skid, cockpit and swim platform in two 8 hour days. The hull was less time consuming. It took me about 10 hours to do the hull start to shining finish. I was working the whole time no time for BS'ing!
 
Wenchris21":feabugko said:
I tried everything (Claret Red) and the only thing that remover the water spots to my satisfaction was Baking Soda mixed with water forming a thin slurry. I used a DA polisher to apply. Give it a try. Now the oxidation was a different story this year. For that I used Meguiars 105 with an orange pad and finished with Meguiars 205 with a black pad. Then applied Permanon Yacht Supershine. Looks great! But time will tell…….
Jimmy

Fabulous advice. Thank You Wenchris21. I will try the baking soda and water trick first! Best Regards
 
Thank you so much for the advice. Seems pretty time consuming, but guessing it will work well as you suggested. I am grateful you took the time to respond!



BB marine":2kwl1nc3 said:
Once oxidation sets in which unfortunately it does with all gel coat finishes to bring back that new boat looking luster gets harder and harder. Unfortunately Fluid Motion did not use a high grade Gel coat and the thickness of the gel was not uniform. Old school build technics I guess! The Gel coat on the Fluid Motion boats has a bit to be desired. I guess with anything you take the good and bad with any manufactured product.

My steps of yearly hull and top side Fluff and buff. This was my procedure when I owned a blue hull Cutwater C26 2016 that I sold in 2021.

First step is to remove all water spots and stains. Rubber gloves and a couple spray bottles of Lime-away. I do a 2' wide section at a time from rum rail ti bottom paint line. Spray it let it soak and then wipe it until it appears all stains and water spots are removed. Rinse with water and dry. Look at the hull finish if the stains and water spots are gone move on to the next section. From the bow back to the helm area the hull on my Cutwater had the largest concentration of water spots. It would take a couple of applications of Lime-away to completely clean the hull so there were not spots and the gel was clean. When I had completed the hull cleaning process with the Lime-away step two was started.

Step two is using a good grade compound ( Not one does all cleaner wax) I use Wizards Turbo Cut. This will cut through the oxidation and removes any fine scratches from fenders or light dock rash. I again do a 2' section at a time. When I finish an area I wipe it down and confirm a uniform finish. Then move on to the next section. Use a rotary buffer for best results with this step. When the compound buffing is complete I use a polishing compound.

Third step is to polish the hull. I Marine 31 One step compound and polish. Repeat the the compound 2' section at a time. This can be applied with either a wool pad on a rotary buffer or a white foam pad on a random orbital. Polish a section and when the section is complete wipe it down with a soft cloth. You will really start to see the hull coming back now. Once this is completed.

Forth step. I use Marine 31 Carnauba wax and protectant. I apply this to the complete hull using a random orbital buffer with a black foam pad buff it in lightly and cover the complete hull with a thin layer of wax. When the complete hull is coated with wax go back to your wax application starting point and start to remove the wax with a clean new black foam pad. Again do 2' sections during removal of the wax and wipe the area down with a soft rag for inspection. This is when you will see that all this work paid off.

After all the wax is removed I use a over the counter spray on ceramic detailer wax. This will help shed the water spots from sticking over about a 3 month season. A reapplication of this every couple of months will keep all that work you did looking good. There are many of theses products on the market. I use Meguiars ceramic detailer for this. I used this product while I was doing the Loop last year. I did the full procedure described before leaving on the 14 month trip. Every 2 months I would spend an afternoon wiping another coat of the Meguiars on the top side and hull. Drop the dinghy and wipe the hull. The boat shined the whole time. https://www.amazon.com/sspa/click?ie=UT ... %26psc%3D1

This is a photo of my 2016 C26 Cutwater just before I sold it in June of 2021. The boat had over 10,000 miles over the road traveling and about 4000 miles under its keel with 650 hours of engine run time. It was used in salt and fresh water.
gallery2.php?g2_itemId=79660
gallery2.php?g2_itemId=79663
gallery2.php?g2_itemId=79666

The top sides looked the same as the hull. I did the top sides first then covered the top sides with plastic so I didn't get compound dust all over it.

It sounds like a lot of work. I did the complete C26 Top sides including the roof, non skid, cockpit and swim platform in two 8 hour days. The hull was less time consuming. It took me about 10 hours to do the hull start to shining finish. I was working the whole time no time for BS'ing!
 
Brian, when can I drop the boat off? LOL
 
Katmat":3cxu73ax said:
Brian, when can I drop the boat off? LOL

When you finish the Loop I'll let you use my tools and supplies 😀
 
I have found that oxidation of gel coat encourages water spotting. Certainly using Brian’s advice, as always, is a great way to go. If that doesn’t work and your scratches are minimal in hull get a DA sander and do a section with 2000 grit wet paper, then step up to 3000. Changing disks when they quit cutting material saves time- don’t get to few disks. Save a few of used up 3000 paper disks for final sanding. The abrasive will be closer to 4000. Polish out by buffing high speed with maquires rubbing compound. Seal with ceramic coating. If that makes the difference you are looking for then do the whole boat. I no longer try to buff out hull. Wet and dry is much faster in the long run for a consistent look. The area Around where your fenders ride against the hull will be the worst for scratches. You might need to start with a more aggressive grit there. Try a thousand before you go lower. Working up the grit chain wiill save a LOT of time buffing with more consistent results. Hard earned lessons from someone who has sanded a lot of polyester sculpture. It pays to be less OCD about this. Unfortunately that is not where I live. You can always pay someone to do this for you of course or , next time, consider a white hull boat.

Swims with Tuna
 
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