Interference on TV

davenpom

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Has anyone had issues with not being able to watch the TV in the bedroom due to electrical interference when hooked to shore power? We have an 2009 R29 (#4). I hooked the TV up to an extension cord at the house and it worked just fine. Got the boat down to our slip and hooked up to shore power and there is so much interference that it's not watchable. Sound is good, but picture is scrambled. If I disconnect shore power and turn on the inverter the picture is better but still some interference.

Thanks
Mark
 
I am puzzled by your problem, so I'll make some suggestions and questions rather than give a definitive answer.

First, are you absolutely sure that the problem is interference, rather than simply a weak signal caused by a location with poor reception at your dock? With digital TV, it is essentially impossible to tell the difference simply by looking at the screen -- both circumstances (as well as multipath "ghosts" and other issues) will lead to image break-up or disappearance, and when you are near the threshold of reception, a VERY small change in signal conditions changes an essentially perfect image to an unwatchable one. This question matters because its answer directs the search for solutions. The fact that your TV works at home does not say whether its working was absence of interference or presence of a stronger signal. A stronger signal at home might overcome interference whose level is low enough to disrupt reception of a weaker signal (such as your boat's antenna at your dock might generate).

Second, I thought the TV in the boat worked on 12Vdc, so I'm puzzled by your extension cord at home. I assume you mean that you plugged the boat's 120Vac input into an outlet in your home. Assuming I am right that the TV works on 12Vdc, have you tried it with the boat disconnected from shore power and with the boat's inverter OFF? If the TV works on the boat's 12Vdc supply, then I don't understand why switching between the inverter or shore power would make a difference -- unless the interference comes from a device that is powered only from the shore power, such as the air conditioning.

If the interference is generated on the boat, I would have thought the inverter was more likely to do so than shore power, since the inverter uses some switching circuits that might generate RF. If you are certain the the problem is interference associated with the shore power, then you need to look for one of the devices other than the TV that is plugged into the shore power. Is the microwave off? What about the air conditioner and its water pump? Unplug or turn off anything that might be using the 120Vac. If the problem persists after all your 120Vac devices are OFF, then look elsewhere on your dock. Persuade your neighbors to turn off suspect devices. Find out if anyone is using a WiFi device with an amplified transmitted signal -- if that is close to your TV antenna, it could cause problems. Are there any other transmitters nearby (a local FM station, perhaps)?

You also should try switching off all 12Vdc devices on the boat, especially including the GPS and the VHF radio.

What channels do you think are available at your dock location? Do all of them fail in the same way? The channel numbers may give some guidance to the interference frequency and thus the source, but this is a long shot.

Your report that the sound is good even though the picture is not is also puzzling. Unlike our former analog television system, digital television does not transmit the audio data in a way that is significantly more robust than the video data. Normally, digital TV picture and sound fail at almost exactly the same signal conditions. If your sound is truly solid, it indicates to me that you are very close to a signal level that would allow the video to operate as well.

Let us know.

-- John H
 
davenpom":2n5agnx5 said:
Has anyone had issues with not being able to watch the TV in the bedroom due to electrical interference when hooked to shore power? We have an 2009 R29 (#4). I hooked the TV up to an extension cord at the house and it worked just fine. Got the boat down to our slip and hooked up to shore power and there is so much interference that it's not watchable. Sound is good, but picture is scrambled. If I disconnect shore power and turn on the inverter the picture is better but still some interference.

Thanks
Mark

Is this the original TV, as I thought all the Ranger ones were 12v, although you do say you ran it off a power cord from your house?

As the previous poster said, a digital signal will be all or nothing, or perhaps a picture/pixalation/picture/pixalation and so on. :?
 
Through 2010, the TV's were 120 volts. In 2011 they switched to the 12 volt with the built in DVD.
 
The TV is a 120v one with a built in DVD player. I have been trying to play a DVD. I don't have any type of antenna hooked up to try a regular TV signal. But, before the DVD was put in, the TV was displaying the interference as well. It almost looks like the older TV sets that rolled and had all the diagonal lines going through it.

I don't have an air conditioner (I'm in Alaska, so not an important item). My wifi was probably on, I can check that, but its not an enhanced signal. But as soon as I unplugged from the dock and went on the inverter the interference got significantly less. Still present, but at least watchable. I didn't have the chart plotter, radio, or radar on at the time. I would have had the fridge, wine cooler, and the Wallas D30 furnace on as well as the inverter would have been on in the charging mode.
 
Have you checked what it looks like with the inverter not charging, preferably completely turned off? That's the first place I would look since inverters, charging or producing output, do some fancy manipulation of the wave forms and it may be emitting some radio frequency interference which the TV can't filter out.

You could even check it while in the charging and output modes while at the pier. For those tests, I would run an extension cord from shore to power the set and see what happens.

Those three tests should at least give a yea or nay to the inverter being the problem.
 
I tried most of the recommendations listed above and didn't have much success. There wasn't anyone around for me to run an extension cord from their boat.

I was able to turn everything off (inverter, fridge, wine cooler, heater, etc...) and it didn't make any difference.

I pulled the DVD player out and was able to get all the wires (from both the tv and the DVD player) away from the electrical socket where shore power comes into the boat, and that didn't help either.

The sound comes out of the automobile DVD player clear as a bell (speakers are up at the head of the bed). The tv now has a rolling line about 1/8 inch wide going from side-to-side. There are two lines displayed on the tv at a time about 6 inches apart that continually scroll up the screen. I don't know if moving things around helped or not, but it looks the same now on the inverter and on shore power.

I'm heading back down to the boat in a couple days and thinking about taking my little Honda generator and seeing if that does the same thing.

Do they make a "filter" that can be plugged into the wall socket to "clean" the power up?

Any other ideas from anyone?
 
SInce you have now clarified that you are not using an antenna, you can disregard all of the RF-related suggestions in my previous post. I now understand that the manifestation of the interference is 2 horizontal lines that scroll (fairly slowly??) up the screen. This indeed sounds like interference from a 60 Hz power source. Since you report that the TV works perfectly at home, we must suspect the power at the dock. What is the source of the 60 Hz 120V power -- is it from a utility, or is there an on-site generator? What other heavy equipment (not on your boat) might be connected to the power that supplies your dock? Maybe a large pump? Large freezer?

Of course, the problem with this line of questioning is that the TV should work when powered from the boat's inverter, expecially if no other device is connected to the inverter. If you had not reported perfect operation at home, I would certainly have suspected a problem within the TV. I suppose that we could make up a story where the TV is improperly sensitive to the waveform of the 60Hz power, but this story depends on the dock power having a distorted waveform.

A very-low-pass (60 Hz) filter for the power line could be constructed, especially for the relatively low power requirements of a TV receiver, but I don't know if one is available for consumer purchase. Note that normal "power line filters" may not be what you want, because they, I think, are designed primarily to remove high frequencies, and it doesn't sound like this is your problem.

-- John H
 
I brought another TV and plugged it in the galley. Worked great. So I used an extension cord and plugged the TV in the bed room into the plug in the galley. It works perfectly.

Before I squeeze into the closet to change the GFCI plug - would that be the issue? do they go bad?
 
davenpom":1jl40san said:
I brought another TV and plugged it in the galley. Worked great. So I used an extension cord and plugged the TV in the bed room into the plug in the galley. It works perfectly.

Before I squeeze into the closet to change the GFCI plug - would that be the issue? do they go bad?

Of course they do, just like anything electrical or mechanical. 😉

Just to confirm the issue, did you plug in the 'new' TV into the outlet that the original TV was using?
 
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