King Marine R-21EC's Angler Edition top w/Full Enclosure

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Subject: King Marine R-21EC's Angler Edition w/Full Enclosure

I've received numerous enquiries about our Canvas from King Marine for our 2016 R-21EC.

First, the style per King Marine (Dave) is: R-21 Angler Edition top with Full Enclosure. We chose or should I say Andrew/Dave chose the Charcoal Tweed material canvas color for us -- and their choice was excellent IMO.

The frame has but 4 vertical poles, two roof slightly curved poles over cockpit and another at the transom end along with two short supporting angular struts in the top rear two corners.

The top is one piece of material, attaches to the Pilot House rear roof line via an installed track created by King Marine. The sides of the top are rolled around and snapped in place to the longitudinal poles held up by the 4 vertical poles. The end result is a very tight roof and it can be tapped with the back of the hand and sounds very taught/tight and somewhat like the sound when tapping a drum with a drum stick.

I've found the top can be left in place for short trailering distances without issues. However, for longer trailering distances and especially on freeways or 55 mph primary roads it would be strongly advised to remove the top and stow it.

There are a total of 9 zippered panels that are used for the full enclosure. Also included are two gusset strips that are provided to attach/zip the panels adjacent to the Pilot House sides. These could easily be left in place during trailering but as they are really easy to install there's no need for that... just remove them and stow them is my advice.

The panel sections above the cockpit railing are (in my case) 40 ga clear vinyl and quite stiff, but not so stiff they cannot be easily rolled in about a 5" diameter so that the whole panel can be rolled and raised to the top roof line and held there in place by two straps that clip to secure the rolled up panel. The lower section of each panel is canvas and aligns with the cockpit railing.

Of the 9 panels, all but two can be rolled up. The two transom corner panels cannot be rolled up for obvious reasons IMO.

The rear/transom panel that can be rolled up is a very generous size (width-wise) and opens up the whole swim step for easy access and the joys from listening to the water noises as the boat slips through the water... 😉

There are two opening flaps in the lower rear side panels to provide access to the stern-most cleats.

After the Factory Delivery experience on the water the panels were removed for trailering. My idea was to remove the side and rear set of three panels as one piece. That is each of these sections had three panels and the were left zipped together. Thus only three large panels if you like resulted. Each one was then fold at the zipper lines and folded over to form a single panel. This single panel then was fold one more time such that the width ended up being just shy of 18". Thus stowing these was simplified and the real advantage was that when wanting to install the full enclosure later it would be easy to know where each set of three panels went. Without this you will have 9 panels and figuring out where they all go takes time and is tedious and wastes valuable time IMO.

Today in my driveway I took the three zipped folded panels out of the V-berth and installed them on my own for the first time. I timed myself and it took me 54 minutes. Talking with Dave at King Marine, he was impressed and told me that time should be easily halved after doing the full enclosure install a few more times. He liked my idea of keeping each set of zipped 3 panels together to facilitate easy re-installation. The trick in getting the panels zipped up quickly is to figure out which zips need to be released to lessen the strain elsewhere when zipping things up.

Dave indicated that with the first case of rain on the full enclosure there maybe some water leaks at the zipper lines. This will quickly resolve itself and I was not to worry. There must be some sort of self-healing at play here. :lol:

I managed to take some photos as I went along during my 54 minutes. I have placed the photos in my Dropbox and in my Photo Album.

Dropbox: (ignore/cancel request to login and the photos can be viewed)https://www.dropbox.com/sc/h93uiq5qtatgy7j/AADpotmteNYMSwi_TDK3XsK5a

Photo Album
http://www.tugnuts.com/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=42090
 
Barry,I can't tell you how much I appreciate the detail you went to while describing your building experience. Your boat looks great and I am ordering the same top as yours. Thanks for taking the time to talk to me. Enjoy your boat!
 
That looks pretty slick but why it called the Angler Edition? It looks like itd be a huge pita for fishing. Does it fold up and collapse against the salon wall or something?
 
The R-21EC Angler Edition is the style/name for just the top with its well spaced vertical poles allowing fishing rods to be deployed between the large spacing between poles. The Full Enclosure is an edition to the top if one wished for the enclosure. All panels can be rolled up accept for the transom corner panels. This then would allow it to be essentially just a top. At least that is the way I see it.

So, R-21 Angler Edition Bimini/top + Full Enclosure maybe is a better way to describe it. 🙂

I'm not a fisherman and have to ask if having just the top causes any type of issue for a fisherman.... I dunno.
 
baz":27lwwleb said:
I'm not a fisherman and have to ask if having just the top causes any type of issue for a fisherman.... I dunno.

The top and fixed supports would be an issie for me personally, but that is a really nice too... Especially if you dont fish, looks great on the 21 for sure, good choice.
 
Binare":2n1l2eve said:
baz":2n1l2eve said:
I'm not a fisherman and have to ask if having just the top causes any type of issue for a fisherman.... I dunno.

The top and fixed supports would be an issie for me personally, but that is a really nice too... Especially if you dont fish, looks great on the 21 for sure, good choice.

Hello Barry, Binare, and others,

Your new top (and boat) are VERY nice...really first-class kit.

All tops are a compromise when it comes to fishing or doing any other work in the cockpit.

Compared the the Surrey Top which is no longer available, the new "Angler" edition top on Barry's new 21EC is MUCH improved. The old-style Surrey top was a nice, shade-producing top with high headroom; side enclosure panels where available with that top to enclose the cockpit if desired. The man disadvantage with the Surrey was it had EIGHT uprights, so fishing, etc was Very Hard. Forget casting...unless you go stand on the swim platform.

The new Angler top has cut the uprights down to FOUR so that is an improvement. Two uprights would be better. It is evident the Factory is listening to owners and implementing improvements. The lowered height will be a problem for fishing, casting, etc. Of course, when one is determined, you can still fish just with the difficulties of the top and it's framework.

I like to fish. My Gulf Coast style of fishing is via trolling, casting, and bottom fishing. Thus, I ended up removing my Surrey Top and replacing it with one of my own. It preserved the height of the original Surrey but is shorter, ending at the aft end of the engine box. It has TWO uprights supporting it so there's less interference from those. Since the top doesn't cover the aft-most portion of the cockpit, this allows me to cast without striking my top on the back-cast. Of course the uncovered aft area leaves the passengers back there in the sun/rain. That's would be a disadvantage for some...and me as well, but it's all a compromise. I may fabricate something to shade the aftmost area at some point.

Anyway, back to the OP...VERY NICE TOP Barry!

dave
 
Had some heavy rain last night. With the boat parked in my driveway on a slope with bow up and with the top + full enclosure all installed not a drop of water was seen anywhere in the cockpit. 😱 😀

I do wonder about water collecting in the radar dome while the mast is in its lowered position. I recall Garmin went to some length at one of the Seattle-based Ranger Tug Rendezvous to fix this issue on all the boats. Hopefully, whatever the fix was it has been applied to my radar dome as well. :roll:
 
SGIDAVE":36lqd3ql said:
Binare":36lqd3ql said:
baz":36lqd3ql said:
I'm not a fisherman and have to ask if having just the top causes any type of issue for a fisherman.... I dunno.

The top and fixed supports would be an issie for me personally, but that is a really nice too... Especially if you dont fish, looks great on the 21 for sure, good choice.

Hello Barry, Binare, and others,

Your new top (and boat) are VERY nice...really first-class kit.

All tops are a compromise when it comes to fishing or doing any other work in the cockpit.

Compared the the Surrey Top which is no longer available, the new "Angler" edition top on Barry's new 21EC is MUCH improved. The old-style Surrey top was a nice, shade-producing top with high headroom; side enclosure panels where available with that top to enclose the cockpit if desired. The man disadvantage with the Surrey was it had EIGHT uprights, so fishing, etc was Very Hard. Forget casting...unless you go stand on the swim platform.

The new Angler top has cut the uprights down to FOUR so that is an improvement. Two uprights would be better. It is evident the Factory is listening to owners and implementing improvements. The lowered height will be a problem for fishing, casting, etc. Of course, when one is determined, you can still fish just with the difficulties of the top and it's framework.

I like to fish. My Gulf Coast style of fishing is via trolling, casting, and bottom fishing. Thus, I ended up removing my Surrey Top and replacing it with one of my own. It preserved the height of the original Surrey but is shorter, ending at the aft end of the engine box. It has TWO uprights supporting it so there's less interference from those. Since the top doesn't cover the aft-most portion of the cockpit, this allows me to cast without striking my top on the back-cast. Of course the uncovered aft area leaves the passengers back there in the sun/rain. That's would be a disadvantage for some...and me as well, but it's all a compromise. I may fabricate something to shade the aftmost area at some point.

Anyway, back to the OP...VERY NICE TOP Barry!

dave

Wasn't even thinking of casting.

I honestly can't imagine trying to wield 9' rods and nets with anything on the hook under, or "inside" any top in a "deployed" state.

That's why I was wondering if it collapsed against the back salon wall or something, that to me, would truly be an "Angler" edition, in my opinion only of course.

I'm not knocking this top, I think its fantastic, looks great on the 21, I'd dream of sleeping in the cockpit on the hook in perfect weather with that top. I definitely wouldn't be dreaming of any "Angling" though 😉
 
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