Kisae Abso Sinewave Inverter Charger

Rocky, glad you got it installed. That said, something's not right. The way the wiring is done on these boats is that your shore power comes in and goes directly to the AC panel (right side), through the ELCI circuit. From there, it leaves the AC panel and goes directly to the AC input of your inverter charger. From there, the AC comes back out from the AC output of the inverter charger, and goes directly to the LEFT side of the AC Panel, powering all of those items including the microwave. It sounds like the AC passthrough of your inverter charger is either disabled or not working, or something is up with the wiring. Read the manual to see if there's a setting for enabling the AC passthrough and have someone check the wiring if you're not comfortable.
 
Thanks Dave, I will definitely check that out. That said, there are a few other posts that mention precisely the same issue of the left hand AC panel going out along with the inverter. Likely, it’s a fault that’s been repeated.
 
Thanks Dave, I will definitely check that out. That said, there are a few other posts that mention precisely the same issue of the left hand AC panel going out along with the inverter. Likely, it’s a fault that’s been repeated.
Rocky Lou,
Did you ever find out if the Kisae inverter-charger has a AC output bypass setting? Ours apparently just bit the dust like many others (permanent "r2.0" error message, and no AC power to left side of AC panel [AC outlets, microwave, etc.]). Just trying to see if there's a way to get the AC outlets operating so I can run the air dryers until I can get the Kisae replaced. The Kisae manual does say, "The unit is fully automatic. When utility power is available, the unit is running in AC bypass mode. AC output is supplied from the utility." I have 120 VAC on the AC panel gauge, but no power to the GFCI outlets (galley, mid-berth, v-berth). The water heater breaker is the only AC breaker that seems to work.
 
my assumption is that its a wiring situation where only certain bus is active on inverter and certain on shore power.

I am about to swap all my R23 stuff out, and the plan is to go from Shore to ELCI to a dedicated inverter input breaker, bypass the obsolete shore/inverter selection toggle and just use shore side since it powers everything, and remove the inverter link. AC doesn't work on batteries in current configuration among other things. No need to have a delineated selection anymore between the two since the inverter handles it
 
Rocky Lou,
Did you ever find out if the Kisae inverter-charger has a AC output bypass setting? Ours apparently just bit the dust like many others (permanent "r2.0" error message, and no AC power to left side of AC panel [AC outlets, microwave, etc.]). Just trying to see if there's a way to get the AC outlets operating so I can run the air dryers until I can get the Kisae replaced. The Kisae manual does say, "The unit is fully automatic. When utility power is available, the unit is running in AC bypass mode. AC output is supplied from the utility." I have 120 VAC on the AC panel gauge, but no power to the GFCI outlets (galley, mid-berth, v-berth). The water heater breaker is the only AC breaker that seems to work.
Hi Morelord,
Ricardo gave me an extra good deal on a replacement and, thankfully, I'm now accustomed to changing them, it's my third. Here is his reply on bypass, hope it helps, but, in my case seems to complicate matters:
Hello Paul,

To work in Bypass mode just feed its AC-Input port with 120Vac shore power and wait for about 20 seconds for its built-in transfer switch and charger to start working and so with its Status LED indicator (on the display panel) to pass from flashing amber color (i.e. after connecting the shore power) to solid green.

Try to do it with no AC loads connected /turned-on to its hardwired AC-Output ports, or plugged into its GFCI outlet on the front, to reduce the chance for the E03.



Check the AC-Input port voltage and contact conditions as follows, despite they do not have to do directly with the E03 error:



  1. Make sure the shore power voltage is within the 107 – 129Vac range measured with a digital multimeter right at the Neutral and Line (Hot) bolts of the AC-Input port terminals in the wiring compartment as shown below, especially when using a gas generator rather than utility/hydro AC power. --> Having more than 129Vac at the AC-Input port, even before, may result in a Bypass block condition allowing it to work only in Inverter (Battery) mode, with a subsequent shutdown after disconnecting/shutting-down the shore power, something that we call “Forced Backup” as explained in the attachment. However, this “Forced Backup” does not have to do with the E03 error.


  1. Check for a possible loose or open contact in the bolt terminals at the AC-Input Neutral “N” and/or Hot “L” connector in the wiring compartment.
With the shore power disconnected and the unit turned off, get access to the wiring compartment and move /pull the edge of the Neutral “N” and Hot (Line) “L” wires to make sure they are not loose. --> Having the bolt of the terminals tightened does not necessarily mean the wires are so. Make sure the edges of the wires are below the bolt terminal metal tongue /fin, otherwise, they will remain loose. If necessary, use a thin screwdriver, tweezers, a piece of wire, etc. to pull that metal tongue /fin up to keep it touching the bottom of the fully opened terminal bolt to keep the wire entrances fully opened up to its very end.

Check the AC-Output terminals (if used) the same way.

We suggest crimping pin (or spade) Faston™-type terminals for the AC connections. See more details after my signature below.

Then, after reconnecting/turning-on the shore power, make sure there is 120Vac nominal measured right at the top of the bolt terminals.

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I hope this helps.

Best regards,



Ricardo Torassa

Technical Support Specialist

Kisae Technology Co., Limited

www.kisaepower.com

ricardo.kisae@gmail.com

+1-604-630-8680 (Ext. 506)

+1-877-897-5778 (direct)



Regarding the AC wires and terminals:

For the AC-Grounds
(both AC-Input and AC-Output hardwired ones) use a yellow Faston type ring or fork crimped terminals to connect to the unique metal chassis Phillips bolt on the left side of the AC-Input terminals. The color indicates the AWG gauge range being yellow the proper one for AWG # 12/10 wires with an external 20A/30A branch circuit breaker respectively. For AWG #14 gauge and 15A external branch circuit breaker use the blue ones.

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For the N and L (Neutral and Line = Hot)”: It uses hardwired screw terminals inside its wiring compartment for the AC-Input and AC-Output connections. Make sure the metal tongues (fins) inside the screw terminal connectors do not remain bent down after counter clocking enough its screw, so blocking the insertion of the wire into it. Check it and if necessary push it up with a small (thin) screwdriver.



Thanks to that tongue, you can insert the bare end of stranded wires directly into the screw terminal connectors without damaging their thin strands when tightening the screw.

However, we also suggest (not mandatory) using a spade or pin yellow Faston-type crimped terminals to the bare end of the stranded wires, as shown below.



IMPORTANT: The screw terminals have a little metal tongue (fin) inside to protect the bare ends of the wires (or their terminals) when the screws of the connector are tightened.

We suggest (not mandatory) using a spade or pin-crimped terminal (as shown below) other than the bare end of the wire.

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Then, you have to make sure to insert the pin of the terminal
below the tongue inside the screw connector already almost fully unscrewed (at both AC-Input and AC-Output connectors). If necessary and in case the tongue (fin) is bonded down blocking the insertion of the wire (or wire + terminal), you have to use a small screwdriver or sharp object to bond it up and clear the hole.

 
Rocky Lou,
Did you ever find out if the Kisae inverter-charger has a AC output bypass setting? Ours apparently just bit the dust like many others (permanent "r2.0" error message, and no AC power to left side of AC panel [AC outlets, microwave, etc.]). Just trying to see if there's a way to get the AC outlets operating so I can run the air dryers until I can get the Kisae replaced. The Kisae manual does say, "The unit is fully automatic. When utility power is available, the unit is running in AC bypass mode. AC output is supplied from the utility." I have 120 VAC on the AC panel gauge, but no power to the GFCI outlets (galley, mid-berth, v-berth). The water heater breaker is the only AC breaker that seems to work.
A big thanks to all for posting this information. Been racking up some trouble shooting time and was having exact issues described. Knowing is the key. Will try to bypass till unit can be replaced or I can trouble shoot inverter wiring. I suspected something with the inverter as was not energizing and couldn't get the r-20 code off the display. Have a new year's boat club run planned, and this issue was persnickety. This is on a C30. Merry Christmas.
 
Just wanted to share my experience with the issues I was having with my Inverter-Charger and the successful outcome.
Here are the details of the problem I was having and the outcome below after working with Kisae Technical

I have a 2018 RT 29S and came home from a cruise and the Inverter seemed to be malfunctioning.
Here are my symptoms which I had.
When no shore power, there is no AC on my panel. All breakers are showing no power and the green LEDs are not lit.
When shore power is connected, the main breaker LED is green but no AC voltage is showing on the meter. Every few seconds there is a pulse of AC on the meter but doesn’t stay. The breakers on the left side (outlets, Microwave etc) are all showing no power. The accessories breakers in the middle are showing power(LED Green)
The Remote Display has R2.0 on the display but no status or display light. The Inverter fans are not running.

Outcome:
After contacting Kisae Technical Support they indicated that the R2.0 on the display is the version of software and should cycle through and start up. This did not happen. There are 2 potential causes, the inverter is faulty and not communicating with the remote panel or the RJ12 cable is faulty. I checked the cable, and it was fine. The next thing Kisae had me do was remove the shore power and DC power to the inverter, remove the DC positive lead from the inverter and short the positive and negative terminals on the inverter. This does at times reset the unit and it will start working again. This did not work so Kisae Technical support indicated I needed a new unit.

Kisae Technical Support indicated that the one-year warranty had expired, and they would provide a new unit at a non-warranty price, which turned out to be 50% of the retail price. $538 CAD total which included shipping the new inverter to my home.

I had a tech out today to install the new unit and everything seems to be working fine now. One thing I noticed is that the fan is now running on the inverter which was not happening before.

Kisae Technologies closest office to me was in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada and I reached them by phone at 604-630-8680 Ext 506

Hope this helps others.
 
Thanks for sharing. I have similar issues with ac voltage on ac1 pulsating regardless if trying shore power or generator. This would eliminate the shore power cord and lines from the problem. AC2 voltage is fine. It started with display no longer showing Bulk and just displayed voltage and eventually Full with no pulse at ac1 just a delay after turning on and then ac1 voltage steady at 125. Weeks later the pulsating started and eventually would go to steady 125 on ac1. Now I don’t get any jump to 125 and it just pulsates and my three outlet circuits are inoperative. I looked at everything and after talking to local tug service tech I too ordered a replacement. I know the Victron Multi Plus is better but requires an extensive rewire. The swap of the Kisae is a basic take out old and install new and half the price. I figure if it gets me another 6 years I would be happy.
 
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