KMH4A oil level

Ainokea

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Ok Tugnutters,

This is for the 110 guys with the KMH4A marine gear.

On my dipstick for the transmission there is only 1 marking a short distance from the bottom of the stick and then the 2 small holes up near the cap. Am I correct in assuming that the actual bottom of the dip stick is the low level mark and the other mark is the full marking? Had maintenance done and this question came up.

" If you want it done right, do it yourself..."

Thanks for the replies.

Frank

Ainokea
 
Frank,
I have the same engine and gear. I noticed same thing. There are no markings on the dipstick, that make any sense, far as telling you whether the gear is full or low. I just dump in two quarts when I change the oil, which brings the level up pretty close to the top. Knowing when I need to add oil is not a concern, yet. I never even check the oil level in the gear. I check the bilge every time I use the boat. I figure if there is no oil in the bilge, it must still be in the gear.
Mike
 
I caution you about adding too much oil. If you overfill the oil tends to foam an at that point is not a good lubricant.
All the best,
Bob
 
Called my local Yanmar Warranty center and after some debate... it was decided that the the bottom of the stick is the low mark , the line marking above that is the full line. The two holes at the top near the cap are the vent holes. Picture in manual not even close.....

Thanks for the replies

Frank

Ainokea
 
That sounds mighty low to me Frank. The gear holds two quarts of oil, according to the book. When I drain the oil, and refill with two quarts, the oil is about two thirds of the way up on the dip stick, near the holes. This is well above the mark near the bottom of the dip stick. After a little over 800 hours of operation, all is well. Why don't you go ahead and drain most of the oil out of your gear, until it is down to the lower mark, and let us know how it works out for you? I am curious to get to the bottom of this.
 
I agree. I filled to the mark and it took about 3/4 qt. Put 1.5 gts and about 1/2 way up on dip stick. I am still wondering where the full mark is. I am also wondering if wrong dipsticks were put in our transmissions or if the manual is wrong about the qty amount.Comforting to know that you have that many hours on yours using the 2qt qty with no issues.
Will make some more calls and post.

Thanks for your concern!

Frank
 
Questions and observations:

Is it really a KMH4A or a KMH40A? I can't find a KMH4A listed anyplace on Yanmar sites. I finally found a manual for the KMH40A, but Yanmar doesn't make it easy.

I am not the owner of one of these boxes but have had several Yanmar installations and the current one (KM2P-1) has only the single scribe line on the dipstick regardless of the manual saying otherwise. I assume they printed the manual before some manufacturing cost analyst decided that not turning in the second mark would save 6 cents per unit. The logic is this: Oil on the dipstick is a must, but it should not be above the turned mark.

It is noted in both of these manuals that the dipstick should be resting on the casting, not screwed in or the reading will appear "high". Even worse, a low fill will appear to be correct. It should always be tested after the unit has had time to drain the oil off of the gears and into the gearbox sump. I check ours cold and forget about it if OK and our manuals support that. But the manual I found for the KMH4A indicated to check it cold and warm (after 10 minutes of being idle). I tend to be a bit paranoid about expensive stuff, but that seems like overkill to me for routine purposes.

Especially remember that the manual contains this warning:

NOTICE: Never overfill. The oil level must be between the upper and lower level marks.

It is extremely rare that draining the oil out of a marine gear will get rid of all the oil. If you remove it from the boat and stand it on end you might get 97%. Therefore I would never assume that draining has reduced the amount to zero and just add the specified capacity. By the way, according to the manual I found the capacity is 1.7 litres, not 2 quarts, if the manual is correct. That alone would make a 2 quart fill 11% over full.

Overfilling engines or gear boxes can surely lead to foaming and reduced lubrication. It is not quite as critical in these Yanmar marine gears since they are "splash" systems, but foaming in an engine can introduce air into the pressurized system and really make a mess bearings and such. However, even in these marine gears, it will put more load on seals and seepage into the bilge is more likely. I would never over fill either an engine or a gearbox.

I would also not consider 800 hours to be proof of success. These boxes are designed to run thousands of hours, and they might make 800 with half the oil, let alone 11% more.
 
Having gear box serviced by a Yanmar warranty center next week and will hopefully have a technicians answer about the scribe mark issue on the dip stick. Will post update....

Have contacted a few "qualified" Yanmar mechanics and have gotten 1 of two answers.

1) The scribe mark is the low level mark

2) The scribe mark is the high level mark

Frank
 
Frank,

Let us know what you find out. I have an inquiring mind and I want to know.
According to my owner's manual, the mark at the bottom of the dipstick is the low mark.
The full mark, which is absent on my dipstick, and yours, appears to be about half way up, maybe a little more.
My owner's manul specifies two liters of oil, which is 2.1 quarts.
When I put two quarts of oil in the gear, it shows a little over half way up the dipstick.
That is approximatly what the oil level was in the gear when the boat was delivered.

Mike
 
Mike,

I had Marine Pro of Cocoa Beach service transmission and complete my 50 hour servicing. Here is what I found out.

1) Scribe mark on dipstick is high mark. Bottom of stick is the low level index. No oil on stick= too low. Two holes at top of stick are vent holes.

2) Depending on how much oil you pump out it may take up to 2 qts. New engine = 2.1 qts

3) Service transmission to scribe mark. Start engine and bump in gear for a few seconds fore and aft. Will be less as cooler is full. Repeat this step and check again as necessary. The full level should be after the engine is run and checked immediately after shutting down engine . Do not screw dip stick in but just seat on port. Tech suggested it would be a good idea after you know that the transmission is properly serviced to let engine cool and sit. Then scribe where the oil sits on stick and use this as a level mark when cold.

4) Be careful not to over fill as we all know what that leads to.

Hope this helps

Frank

Ainokea
 
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