New features for the Kisae 2000W Charger-Inverter

Emerson

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Perhaps this is old news to some, ...it was a pleasant surprise to me. In order for the features/settings to be available, you must have the following software versions: r4.0 and u4.1 or u4.2. I have no idea if the software can be upgraded.

1. The Inverter- Charger now supports four Lithium charging profiles.
Bulk/Absorption/Flat
LI1: 14.2V / 14.2V / 13.8V
LI2: 14.3V / 14.3V / 13.8V
LI3: 14.4V / 14.4V / 13.8V
LI4: 14.6V / 14.6V / 13.8V

2. Depending on your version of software/documentation, there are two, three, or four new Inverter settings. I am very much excited about In5.

My documentations only lists In0, In1, and In2. Here are In3 - In6 from the documentation addendum:

+++++++++++++++++++ Quote from Documentation Addendum +++++++++++++++++++++++++
In3 - Do not use it. (Reserved for very specific applications)
The built-in transfer switch is disabled and the unit will supply AC-Output power always from the inverter, despite having external AC-Input power present. Therefore, while the unit is working, its inverter stage never gets a rest.
Use this mode for very specific applications with loads sensitive to the brief AC power interruption of the transfer switch commutation (when passing in between Bypass and Battery mode) and/or to the external AC-Input power quality (volts/frequency variation range and/or waveform). The total load power has to be limited to allow some margin for charging the battery. This mode is NOT recommended except for very specific applications (i.e. instrumentation & control).

In4
The inverter is set to standby mode. The unit will provide backup function when external AC-Input power is not available. The AC- Output can always be turned Off and On manually using the “Power” push-button even in bypass mode. When in Bypass, the charger function remains always enabled; however, for a complete shutdown (including the light indicators, display, and the charger), you have to first disconnect the external AC-Input power (do to force Inverter mode) and then push the Power button. When the AC-Output is manually turned off with this setting, the condition remains memorized, even after a blackout and blackout- recovery at the AC-Input port. This is done to be consequent with the last power On/Off action the user did manually on purpose.

In5
Manual Backup, to prevent passing to Inverter (Battery) mode automatically, but only manually when the user wants and by just pressing the Power push-button (other than changing the settings to and from the “In0”). The inverter always remains off after an AC-Input power outage, requiring to be turned on manually by pushing the Power button once, when having no AC-Input power. After an AC-Input power recovery, it takes about 20 sec for the transfer switch to activate the Bypass (=Pass-thru) mode and for the charger to start working. During that 20 sec, waiting period the unit flashes the Status light on amber color to indicate that it will pass to Bypass mode soon.
Once in Bypass mode, the Status light goes on solid green. Then, if the external AC-Input power is disconnected/blackout, the AC- Output ports shut down immediately and the display remains On showing the battery voltage for 30 sec. before going completely off, unless you push the Power button to accelerate that completely-off condition before the 30 sec. timeout happens.

In6
The Manual Backup function can be either enabled or disabled, turning the display and so the inverter function either On or Off respectively, by pushing the Power button once any time and in whatever operating mode (i.e. either in Bypass or in Inverter).
In other words, anytime the display is on showing the normal messages (in either Bypass or Inverter mode), the inverter stage function is enabled. Contrarily, having the display Off (in either Bypass or Inverter mode), the inverter stage function is disabled. However, once in Bypass (= Pass-thru) mode both, the charger and the AC-Output ports, are always activated despite having the display either On or Off. If the latter, the Status light indicator remains on solid-green as the only way to differentiate when the unit is completely Off because the charging messages (CH9, bUL, AbS, FUL) are not displayed even though the charger is working. After an AC-Input power recovery, the charger always starts working immediately. However, the activation of the transfer switch and so the Bypass (Pass-thru) function will happen either immediately or after 20 sec. according to the following conditions:
o Immediately: if the Manual Backup status was disabled (so with the display Off) when the AC-Input recovery happens. o After 20 sec: if the Manual Backup status was enabled (so with the display On) when the AC-Input recovery happens.
During this 20-sec waiting period, the status display goes flashing amber to indicate that the unit will pass to Bypass soon (meantime the AC-Output is supplied by the Inverter stage). After the 20 sec timeout, the Xfer-switch and so the Bypass mode is finally activated and the Status light changes to solid-green.
The last Manual Backup status (either enabled or disabled) with the corresponding one of the display (either On or Off respectively) remains memorized after eventual subsequent AC-Input connections and disconnections events.

For all modes:
Note: Always in bypass mode, the unit cannot completely turn off (i.e. charger and AC-Output through the Xfer-switch) manually through the “Power” button. To do so, first, disconnect the external AC-Input power (to force the pass to Inverter mode) and then, press the power button. The unit always turns on (if it was Off) anytime the AC-Input power is detected (connected). It always applies to the charger but not necessarily to the AC-Output ports when having the “In4” setting, which may have a memorized Off condition for them.

Notes about using either the In5 or In6:
o If you want to use the Manual Backup function always, or most of the time, without preventing the display to show the charging messages, use
the “In5” setting.
o If you want the flexibility for easily enabling and disabling the Manual Backup function many times, and see its corresponding status by looking at the display from a distance (to check if it is On or Off and so the function enabled or not), use the “In6” setting despite having no charging messages when the function is disabled. Anyway, in the case of having the Manual Backup function disabled in “In6”, you always can push the power button once to see those messages and push it once again to return to the display off condition ( and so the function disabled) again.
+++++++++++++++++++++++ End quote from documentation Addendum ++++++++++++++++++++++
 
Nice features! If anyone knows how to upgrade an older model, I'd be interested. Am guessing they don't really support upgrading, though.
 
The factory advised me that the software is not upgradeable. A shame . . .

Gini
 
Thanks, Gini! Too bad although understandable. (Adding upgrade capability can cause problems on its own, plus more support calls!)
 
I just purchased one of these inverter chargers unused from a guy on CL who decided to go all victron. Was a deal at $300, and I'll replace the Promariner "Quasi sine wave" i/c that's in my 2016 C30. It makes my nespresso machine very grumpy and isn't good for a lot of electronics. I think the install will be fairly straightforward, based on scoping it out...
 
I had previously tried In5, which is an option on my inverter, but it never worked for me, the results were the same as In1

I really did want something like In5 - in the end I worked around this when I redid the charging circuit not he boat when I switched to LiFEPo4
 
I fought and fought and fought with the Kisae 2000W (no power to the outlets while underway, despite my reprogramming that sucker three times) that came with my 2017 R-29S. But I recently replaced it with a new version of the 2000W unit and, so far, it's working fine.

Best purchase option was to buy it from the Ranger shop for $570 and pay a local marine electronics guy $125 to swap out the old one with the new one.

So far, so good.

JtheK
 
dbsea":c2qp5zds said:
I just purchased one of these inverter chargers unused from a guy on CL who decided to go all victron. Was a deal at $300, and I'll replace the Promariner "Quasi sine wave" i/c that's in my 2016 C30. It makes my nespresso machine very grumpy and isn't good for a lot of electronics. I think the install will be fairly straightforward, based on scoping it out...

Happy to report that I installed it this afternoon and all is working as expected ! A trip to TAP plastics will be needed to make a filler piece for the controller as it’s much smaller than the Promariner one. It appears I have a newer model as it supports The IN5 setting.
 
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