Proper RPM

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I have a 2015 25SC with a Volvo Penta D3. What should my max RPM be? I am told 4000 by a Penta dealer. When the tug was new, I would get about 3000 rpm. Now, my max is 2850 rpm with a max speed of about 9.5 knots.

No modifications have been made to the engine, prop, or hull. Your thoughts would be most appreciated!
 
Something is not right. If you have the D3-150 it’s only rated to 3,000 rpm. The D3-170, D3-200 and D3-220 are all rated for 4,000 rpm.
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We have the Yanmar 4BY2-150 which has a max rpm of 3,800. For short periods I can run at 3,400 rpm reaching 14 knots in calm conditions. My “normal” cruise is at 3,000 rpm using 3.8 gallons per hour at 194-196 degrees coolant which is just a tad under 80% of max rpm.

If you subscribe to the theory of running your engine at 80-90% of max rpm for best engine life and performance, you should be able to cruise with the Volvo D3 150 at 2,700 to 2,400 rpm. If it’s a D3-170 or D3-200 you should be able to cruise at 3,200 to 3,600 rpm.

You should be doing much better than 9.5 knots at the higher rpm for any D3 engine. Is your bottom clean? That can make all the difference in the world on speeds!
 
3000 RPM is correct for your D3-150. I have found that the RT25SC is very sensitive to weight and especially to growth on bottom and running gear. I would expect that at 2850 RPM, if you are not significantly loaded down with people/gear and the bottom/running gear is not too dirty, you should be around 14 knots. When I picked my boat up this past spring with clean bottom, full fuel, no water in fresh water tank or black water tank and 1 person onboard, WOT was 3050 and boat speed was about 17 knots. Currently my WOT is about the same as yours (2850) with a dirty bottom and my speed with 1/2 fuel, 1/2 water, gear for weekend trip and 2 persons on board is about 14 knots.

Your 9.5 knots at 2850 RPM sounds like you have a prop problem, significant weight on board or your bottom is significantly fouled.
 
Seems like there should be one simple answer, but I am not sure there is one.

My 2017 R-25 SC has the Volvo Penta 150. I've understood it's rated for 3,000 RPM. As configured, my full throttle RPM is about 2900.

By the way, we had a Volvo Penta specialist speak at our rendezvous this year and he recommends running at full throttle for several minutes about once a month....

At 2900 RPM when the water is flat, we see 11-12 knots.

At 2500 - 2700, the cruising range I use, we're between 8 and 10 knots depending on the seas.

Your good question did cause me to go back to the Owners Manual....this is all one finds and I am sure that is because the propeller has a lot to do with RPM as does the condition of the bottom of the boat as pointed out.

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We have a 2015 R25SC with the Volvo D-3. It is suppose to run at 3,000 RPM which ours does when lightly loaded. We have no bottom paint and the boat is stored on the trailer with a clean bottom. It gets wiped down when put back on the trailer and if the water is warm enough to swim gets cleaned, at least in part, during the week. End of the season the bottom gets waxed. With a week or two of clothes, food, gear, two people and a 70 lb labradoodle, full water and full fuel it struggles to get above 2890 or 2900 RPM and does about 17 miles per hour. At 2400 RPM it does 11.8 to 12 mph on the GPS. At 2550 to 2600 she will do 14 mph. As the week goes on and the water tank empties, the fuel tank empties, and the refrigerator empties, things improve. By the middle of the week when the fuel tank, water tank and refrigerator are half empty we get 13 mph at 2400 rpm, 15 mph at 2600, and 17.8 mph at 2930 RPM. By the end of the week, with less water, fuel, and food, top speed improves to 18 plus mph and max rpm gets to 2980 to 3000. (speed at lower RPMS also improves slightly.) Give me a slight tail wind and she will hit 19 MPH. I pay for a pump out whenever my holding tank gets close to half full because these boats, like most boats in this size range, are very sensitive to extra weight. I try to unpack many items and re-pack for the next trip because otherwise we end up carrying more stuff down the highway and across the water than necessary. (My figures are based on relatively clam seas, no head or tail winds, and no current.) (My last rip home from the lake I got 6 MPG towing, rather than the typical 7.5 MPG because I had a steady head wind and was driving just a little faster than I typically do - lots of wind resistance for these boats.) All figures are for fresh water. Like most engines she will run faster and better when temperatures are cooler and the air is more dense. I watch my speed and nautical miles per gallon figures closely to find the sweet spot for my trim tabs at whatever RPM I am running at. There is always a sweet spot for the tabs on the R25SC and too much or too little can make a big difference. I find that my nautical miles per gallon are pretty steady from 2400 RPM to 2700 and they are between 2.0 and 2.3 depending on the load. At wide open they are only about .1 NMPG less. Per the Volvo tech's advice, I try to exercise my turbo charger and run for ten minutes every hour (if conditions and location allow) at some where between 2800 and 3000. We will typically cruise in flat seas for hours at 2400 to 2500 RPM, with occasional variations up to 2700 to keep the turbo exercised, in addition to the ten minute runs at closer to full throttle. I spent 35 years driving Sea Rays with IOs and had no complaints, but when it rains, and for live aboard comfort and the type of cruising we do this inboard diesel is a great little boat. At 11 MPH the R25SC is not very efficient and digs a nice hole in the water that is perfect for wake surfing, but she is 10 to 12 mph too slow to water ski. Every boat is a trade off. Two weeks ago I did 2 hours of 3 to 4 footers, close together, with steep sides, do to the high winds and shallow bottom on Lake Simco, and I was too busy trying to see through the wall of water on the windshield to even care what my NMPG were, but the Volvo and the Ranger Tug never missed a beat and when we got to the lee side she ran wide open like she just came out of the garage after a nap.
 
I also have a 2015 R-25SC with approx. 210 hours on the Volvo Penta D-3 150 engine. I have not tried taking Little Toot to her max. RPM with a near-empty fuel or water tank, or with minimum load on board, because I usually have more than half full tanks. That said, at max. RPM, I can get her up to 2,850-2900 RPM. My boat has a factory-installed generator and a/c system, etc. and so is "loaded" so to speak. The speed I get at that RPM in relatively flat conditions with minimal wind effect is approx. 14 mpg. As Todd points out, the R-25SC is very load sensitive, both in terms of performance, but also in the weight distribution on board. The R-25SC is a great boat for a couple and I could not be happier with Little Toot. As other RT owners will have found out, our boats certainly get a lot of compliments at the marinas one visits!
 
Take a look at the attached graph. There are other parameters graphed on my photo albums. After 5,000+ miles on the Great Loop (and loaded and a little fouled), my max is 2900. We would often cruise at 2800-2850 across the larger sounds and bays. Sounds maybe like you got a prop issue.

TK

 
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