R23 Wiper sweep

tedli357

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Fluid Motion Model
R-27 (Outboard)
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Salacia
MMSI Number
316045039
I am new to Ranger Tugs and have been learning how to use every equipment/component in the boat. I am currently stuck with the short area swept by the single arm wiper blade. The wiper/blade arm rests horizontally when off. Is there an adjustment to increase the sweep or travel? Or, can I replace it with pantograph wiper arms even if the motor mount is not located in the middle of the curved windshield?
 
All I can tell you is that I had to remove & fix my Starboard side as it was stuck and while apart I saw no means to adjust the sweep (can’t say I was looking for a way either). I sure would like to know where to get replacement wood plugs for the cabin though- Anyone?
 
Hi Familyguy, thanks for that bit of info regarding the fixed travel. From the wipers horizontal rest position, I am getting only about 90 degrees of rotation from the wiper motor. Therefore, the wiper blade only comes down to about vertical in the middle of my field of view before it sweeps back up. Are you getting the same amount of rotation and is this normal?
 
It’s normal. The wipers on the R23 are a weak point use Rainx or something similar. I bought some pink snake oil at the boat show, but it works great!
 
I do have some Rain X and will use that for now. I am also looking at the Vetus cataloque just to see what options are available.
 
This is my update and last post re my issue with my R23 wiper sweep. I ended having the dealer change the arms to the pantographic type. The trade off is it doesn't tuck into the horizontal position when off but it sweeps in front of my line of sight. I have now moved on to the R27 OB.
 
tedli357":2i90l2ef said:
This is my update and last post re my issue with my R23 wiper sweep. I ended having the dealer change the arms to the pantographic type. The trade off is it doesn't tuck into the horizontal position when off but it sweeps in front of my line of sight. I have now moved on to the R27 OB.

I also have an R27 OB and have searched for better wipers. I've been told (at a boat show by wiper makers) that there are none on the market with more than a 110 degree sweep. We need more like a 160 degree + sweep!.
Please let me know what you find that is satisfactory to you.

Jeff Radwill,
Margaux - R27 OB
 
With my limited knowledge of what is available out there, I had the dealer switch the wiper arms to the pantographic ones again. I do tweak the position of the arm so that the limited sweep is positioned in front of me when at the helm. I also use Rain X as suggested to reduces the need to use the wipers. Again, I have opted for more functionality than the clean look of the original design.
 
IMO this goes straight back to FM for making a boat with such a disappointing and almost worthless piece of equipment. Didn’t anyone from FM test the wipers performance prior to production? If they had tested the wipers in a real life situation, i.e. RAIN, they would’ve seen the wipers do very little to help with visibility so now owners have to purchase other products to compensate for the poor design. Can you imagine buying an automobile where the wipers only worked on a small portion of the windshield? Of course not. I love my Tug but come on FM, GET REAL and have WINDSHIELD WIPERS that work in real life. Don’t make excuses, make a product worthy of being a Ranger Tug.
Capt’nKarl
 
Hello,

There is no way to adjust the sweep any further than what the motor is currently set too. There are always pros and cons to everything and the pro in this case is you have great visibility out of a curved glass windshield. The con is the wiper doesn't sweep extremely well. I owned a 23 for quite some time and never had a problem with my wiper. It swept the glass and did sweep enough that I could still see out in a heavy rain. As most would suggest and as I did, I waxed my windows which eliminated the need for a wiper at all. Although, it did make the wiper function quite a bit better.

And, to Capt'n Karl, if you do not have anything pleasant to contribute, please refrain from posts like this.

Thank you,
 
Andrew. Obviously you have an issue taking constructive criticism. As I stated “we love our tug” but as many have reported on this matter the wipers do not function as expected otherwise owners would not be looking for alternative methods to correct this deficiency. I stand by my findings (and the posts of other owners) and add that your own comment of “I wax my windows which eliminated the need for a wiper at all” proves the wipers do not function as they should.
Capt’nKarl
 
First time we used our wipers on our R23, we all just cracked up laughing. Sort of pitiful really.

But we are making do. 😀
 
Andrew,
Capt'nKarl makes a valid point and his post was appropriate to the Forum.
I understand you have a vested interest to defend the design deficiencies of your product, but you must remember, we are the people that keep you employed and your company in business. Rather than criticizing a valid complaint, you, as a company representative, should instead acknowledge the issue and state what the company is doing to rectify this well-known problem.
As Capt'nKarl rightly points out, the simple fact that one must use a rain repellant to have acceptable visibility in rain or heavy seas shows the inadequacy of the wipers.
So that I am not accused of making an inappropriate post, I suggest a fix.
Move the wiper motors to the center of the windscreens and use longer wiper blades with a longer wiper arm. So easy, right?
As it stands, my R29 OB windscreen is about 8 sq ft per side. The wiper on each side clears approximately 1.5 or perhaps 2 sq feet. 20 to 25% of the total area. As Capt'nKarl also noted, no one would be happy with this performance in an automobile. Given that driving on the roads is much easier, given the cues of road reflectors, road stripes, generally better visibility due to more lighting than on the water, I would think you would understand the concern we owners have instead of minimizing and unduly criticising it.

With regards,
 
Jeff,

I take your post as being constructive. I do not take Karl's post as being constructive. Having owned a 23 and spent more hours on these boats than most, I find the wipers to do their job but I find that cleaning the glass and protecting the glass does an even better job. With protecting and treating the glass just like I do in my RV, Cars and trucks, it is rare I am using wipers at all. My point was that there is a very simple solution out there without trying to redesign the placement of the motors. Not to mention, we have motor placement points in our fiberglass that would not allow for a simple change. It sounds simple but it isn't all that easy. Could we do it better on the next? Absolutely, I don't disagree that many things could be done better but this one is at the bottom of my list and most likely at the bottom of the engineering list right now.

Unlike other manufacturers, we actually use our boats a lot. Personally, I have over 10,000 miles on the water specifically in Ranger Tugs. Over 4,000 of those miles I have spent on a 23 so I can definitely speak to that model. One of these days, I will share the modifications I did to my boat which involved many man hours making it just the way I wanted it.

Last but not least, I want to point out that you have a 27OB and not a 29. My email and phone will start blowing up thinking that we have a 29 out now. :lol:

Thank you for posting.
 
Andrew,

I apologize for blowing up your phone and email. I guess I can't blame FM for my fat fingers? 😀
I get your point. My point is, the engineers should have given a bit more thought to wiper motor placement / blade and arm length beforehand.
It's water under the bridge now.

Thanks for your speedy reply.
 
All I did is point out the fact the wiper function on the R-23 is a functional/design issue and when compared to an automobile wiper system it would not be accepted. It is your job Andrew to listen to the owners who point out any design flaw.The R-23 has been available for several years and yet this remains as issue. Will I consider buying another Ranger Tug? Most definitely. This is our second one and when I sold my R-21EC I proudly showed off how well the wipers worked. If/when it comes time to sell the R-23 the wiper function will not be included if I can help it. Why? Because as another owner pointed out it cracked them up. Is the functionality of the windshield wipers a deal breaker? Definitely not. But it should be addressed and corrected.
Capt’nKarl
 
Jeff, your R29-OB typo will resonate with Andrew with my post here... I have frequently mentioned my interest in a future R29-OB hull to him.

However, it is interesting you bring up the R29, which has the curved windshield, as does our R27-OB's and the R23 and new R25. The R29 has pantographic wipers, where ours have standard, single arm wipers. Think of the vertical pantographic wiper attitude throughout its sweep against a curved surface versus the biased standard wiper attitude against that curved surface of the 27, 25 and 23's.

Why the R29 can accommodate pantographic wipers but other curved windshield models cannot is unclear to me. A design change might not help our models, but it could benefit future owners.

Bob
The Doghouse 2
 
Could it be the 29 is 1.5' wider than the 23, 25, and 27? Therefore, the windshield is 'less curved' than our glass.

I second Andrew's post... I have ceramic on my windshield, and haven't used wipers since. 😀 For the life of me, I couldn't tell you how well my blades work. 😎
 
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