R25 Thruster issues

Wolfboy

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C-28
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Magic Hour
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Got Slipaway out for our first time and ran into multiple thruster issues. The bow thruster only works toward the starboard and the stern thrusters work intermittently if at all. Sometimes when I move the joystick it doesn’t turn on until after I stop, sometimes it works a little if I move the joystick half way, but only for a second Also after I stop moving the stern joystick and it indicates that it has turned off it will start pulsing the thruster more and more until I turn off the battery switch. I tried cleaning the terminals but that’s as far as I’ve gotten with it. Any ideas?
 
I had a similiar situation with the bow thruster on Kismet R27 and had to replace a solenoid. If you go to Sidepower’s web page you should be able to find a trouble shooting guide. By following there guide instructions you should be able to self diagnose the problem down to exactly what your problem is. Good luck.

Jim F
 
Where would I find them on the boat?
 
Wolfboy":30b230tp said:
Where would I find them on the boat?
The thrusters that Ranger installed(in our models at least) are ignition proof design so unfortunately all of the electrical contacts including the solenoids are inside the IP enclosure on the thruster/motor. You can download the manual from the Side Power website. The manual suggests tapping on the solenoid which is much easier said than done.

Since your boat wasn't used for a while the solenoid might just be sticking due to lack of use. It may free itself up. I had one stick a couple of seasons back and before I could muster the fortitude to tackle the problem it self corrected 😀
 
And the thruster issues continue on my new to us 2008 R-25. So mine is randomly activating. Happened last year as well, thought the connections were getting wet so had my mechanic move the thruster battery switch. Finally got her in the water today and took it for a test drive. Even with the joysticks not activated the stern thruster decided to turn on while transiting the channel. The light on the joysticks did not come on, but the thruster was definitely running until cut off at the battery. Turned that battery back on after a few minutes, had no problem for about 15 minutes, then it activated on its own again. Any ideas?
 
That’s where I’m at. I haven’t made it back to the boat. I’m heading there in the morning. It sounds like a deli pod issue but if that’s the case and they are sealed I might be buying new ones.
 
Deli pod = solenoid. Auto correct.
 
The bow thruster is not the IP type but no matter. After I started troubleshooting that problem (only working to one side) it cleared up. Corrosion on the wiring harness. The stern thrusters are IP and hard as hell to get to. I suspect that it may be bad because of the ‘fluttering with the power off’ issue but I haven’t given up on it yet. Meanwhile the main problem of the engine not starting still eludes me. I cleaned all the ground contacts and even tried adding jumper cables from the battery negative to the block and still could not get it to start. I’ll try more cleaning today but I’m about at wits end.
 
Jjbussell. I’d be really curious to hear about any solution you found. My stern thruster is doing the exact thing you described. Before I go through the cost and hassle of replacing it I’d love to hear about an easier solution.
 
I talked to Imtra about my issues with the stern thruster (not working when I want it to and working when I didn't, or when it was supposedly off, i.e. acting crazy) and they came to the same conclusion I did of it's either the solenoid or the control relay. Since neither the boat or the thruster is easy to get to I decided to just order both pieces now. It's still cheaper than ordering a whole new thruster. SO now the question is, what's the easiest way to access the thruster? I've read some posts that talk about removing the waste tank and some posts about getting there under the bait well and one post that included removing the post between the doors under the bait well. I'm not a big guy but I'm not a gymnast either. Seems like the easiest answer would be to remove the waste tank. Am I barking up the wrong and probably smelly tree?
 
Epilogue. I've read so many posts about problems that just end without saying what the final answer was, so I wanted to write this so someone searching for a solution in the future might get some insight into what happened. I got the solenoid and a new controller from Sidepower and headed back to the boat to swap them out. The stern thruster is IP protected but if you tell them you have a diesel engine they are willing to sell you the parts. What I expected to be a 4-7 hour job ended up taking 2 and a half days. I removed the engine and thruster batteries for access. I had to remove most of the exhaust hoses to get to where I could remove the waste tank. The connection between the toilet and the waste tank was a real bear to get off and I spent probably about 4 hours just on that one connection. I did not remove the spacer between the doors on the back of the cabinet below the fish box and I couldn't get the fish box out but I could string up the hatch underneath to keep it out of the way. I finally got the waste tank disconnected and found that I had to remove the water-lock and the generator exhaust hose as well to get the tank out. I finally got to the stern thruster and discovered that the tool I bought from Chapman was still too long to get at the allen bolts. Someone mentioned that for the price of the ratcheting allen wrench you can get from sidepower you could buy a whole kit from chapman, so I went that route. I bought a metal saw to make the tool shorter, but it was so cheap it wouldn't cut the tool down to size. So I went back to the store and bought a Dremel tool to use the cut off wheel to cut the tool down to size. I got the stern thruster off and took it apart. There was a fair amount of water inside which would explain a lot of the weirdness going on. I knew the motor itself still worked because of the symptoms. I dried it out as best I could and added silicone seal to the base where it appeared it may have been leaking from. There was a fair amount of water under the thruster and I cleared out the weep hole to prevent that from happening again but that's something to check from time to time. I started disconnecting the leads from the solenoid and one of the leads actually came out of the old one which might explain why it was only pushing in one direction. I put the new parts in and reassembled the unit. Once it came time to re-mount the thruster and reassemble everything else it took about 3 hours to get it all back together. I pulled the boat out of the water to make it easier to do this work and I planned on replacing the thruster and prop zincs anyway, so once all that was done we put the boat back in the water and started it up and tested the thruster; success. Thank god because I probably would have jumped in the harbor at that point if it didn't. So a lot of blood, sweat, and tears went into fixing the thruster but it works fine now. My hands are scraped up and hurting, my forearms and shoulders are bruised up from banging around in tight spaces, and my arms are sore from all the wrenching, but I love having working thrusters.
 
Wolfboy,
Excellent description on your repair of your stern thruster. I'm headed to Anchorage on Wednesday and will be de-winterizing my R-27 for summer use. If I run into problems with my thrusters, are you available for the right fee?

Regards,
Bob Allan
Annie M 2016 R-27C
 
If I'm healed up by then, sure. Of course 'the right fee' is a lot higher now that I know what all of that entails. 😉
 
Thank You , for the great descriptive repair. I'm glad the issue was resolved successfully.
 
Glad to hear you got your thrusters back working. I think now you've spent enough time in the bilge. You've earned some time on the water 😀
 
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