R27 Survey?

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pugtug613

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I will be taking delivery on a 2012 R27 with only 100 hrs. on the Yanmar 180 HP engine. I figured, with my experience (25 yrs.) and the fact that it's a 2012 w/100 hrs., I would not use a surveyor. I have a very long check list and I will check for evidence of any leaks. I am a handy type of a guy and can tell if an engine sounds OK. (at least I would like to think so) My experience with surveyors is they try and find things to put in a report. Water stain over here, dirt over here. To have the engine checked is always extra and they charge a pretty good dollar. Any thoughts? Am I being stupid? Does anyone know a surveyor in Southern Jersey?
 
I think you are looking at my previous boat. If so no survey needed. I would be glad to answer any questions as the previous owner. Regret selling it now very much.
 
yes it was. I was at the shop the other day and saw her on the hard. Miss that boat a lot.
Eric
 
My only thought is that sometimes having an independent inspection give you more clout if an issue is present. Hearing what an engine sounds like is nice, but I would have an oil analysis done. One done without a history of trend may not be all conclusive, but it should definitely indicate if there is wear happening and where it may be.
 
Wear? It only has 100 hrs. on the engine. How could it have wear. I guess if someone drained the oil out and then started it and let it run until it seized up? I don't know, but the boat looks brand new. Maybe I'm wrong. And to Eric.. this is great (for me anyway). I was told you went to an R21, is that true? I will take good care of her and I know how you feel. I just traded in my 38 ft Irwin and it hurt me terribly, but I'll get over it. I think the guy who bought her will fix her up and return her to her former glory. I bought her to go cruising, that ain't happening. I do short weekend trips and the R27 seems perfect for me and the wife.
 
With your years of experience, I don't think you are being stupid. Take the boat out for a sea trial and check everything.
My experience with surveyors, they miss a ton of stuff a person who does it for a living ought to notice. I am not impressed. If you can get the current owner to go with you for the sea trial, even better.
 
Lenders and Insurance companies may require a survey by a NAMS or SAMS certified surveyor.
 
Actually, I did finance about 50% of the boat and they never mentioned a survey. Thank you for all your responses, I think I am going to like owning a ranger. Tugnuts is a good resource. The "nuts" part suits me just fine. I should be in my slip by late April and I will wait for the first "cute boat" comment. I have never seen one on the Great South Bay, Long Island. I heard there were a few. I got a very detailed check list from tugnuts and my gut tells me this boat is in good shape. But, I agree with the previous post. I am not overly impressed with the surveys I had done so far and to get the engine tested or the oil analyzed cost extra. I do see the point of a 6 digit investment and a $500 survey, but why throw $500 away? I think, if I go over all the systems and check engine temp with my infra red thing, look for smoke and all that, simply because the boat is more or less new, I'll be OK. I have rebuilt 2 boats from bow to stern and always did any work myself. I have had diesel engines on my boats for the passed 17 yrs. I feel I could be a surveyor. I don't want to insult the surveyors out there! I know it takes a 5 yr apprenticeship and certification, it's not as easy as it seems. I think if the boat was older and had 1000 hrs. on the engine, I would absolutely have it surveyed. Looking forward to cruising around Long Island this year. I'll let everyone know if I made a mistake.
 
I did go to a 21 EC. Life style change forced my change. I sure hope you enjoy the 27. Its a fine boat and I babied it. I never thrashed it or ran at wide open for more than a few minutes. You will notice the generator has only about two hours on it. That was just to keep the seals active and keep fresh fuel in the lines. I think you may find a new toaster in the oven even heh heh
I would be glad to answer any questions.
Eric
 
I work as a Surveyor for Military Sealift Command (MSC). I dont think that you need a certified surveyor based on your experience with boats. i would probably never get a survey unless a bank required it ofr a loan. You might want to have an aquantance/friend etc look it over. Another pair of eyes is always a good idea. Congrats on your new yacht,
 
I have found that toaster! I'm glad you surfaced, I'm sure I will have some questions. I am very excited about this boat. I had a large sail boat and due to a few back surgeries, I have limitations in my physical abilities to maintain a large boat with plenty of teak. This boat checks all the boxes for my wife and me. We just have to get used to a smaller footprint. There are worse things that could happen to me in life!

As far as the survey, I appreciate all the responses and I will have an experienced friend accompany me when I do go over the systems. I have it, in writing, that all the systems will work as expected and I like the dealer. He is willing to spend as much time as I need to go over everything, including a water test. Then it's, call the transporter and have it trailered to Long Island! Can't wait!
Chester
Pugs Tug R27
 
Keep us in the loop on your experiences. You will love the tug. You will really love the bow and stern thrusters. They spoil you. heh heh
Eric
 
Eric,
I enjoyed my sea trial over the weekend. You were right, you must have babied that boat. I had it up to 18 knts and was burning 6 - 7 GPH. The sweet spot is around 8 knts. You were a little off on the genny, it had 3 hrs. on it, not 2!!
The thrusters are amazing. I practiced getting in and out of the slip. He had it down a narrow alley and the last slip, so you had to back in and make a 90 degree turn. WOW! Don was great, he told me what to do and the second time I did it on my own. I hope to get it on Long Island on Friday. Can't wait! And Don found the manuals, they were in the Vee Berth.
Chester
 
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