R29 performance

daviddri

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Fluid Motion Model
C-30 CB
Hull Identification Number
FMLT2931B919
Vessel Name
Catch My Drift
MMSI Number
368093790
Hi all - Recently I was having issues with normal engine temps and pressures but significantly degraded performance (difficulty getting above 12 kts). I had my seasonal haul-out with bottom clean and all was back to normal (18+ kts at WOT). Less than a month later I am back to the degraded performance. Could a month of bottom growth really impact the performance that much? I'll do another short-haul and bottom clean, but wondering if anyone had input/experience with this.

Thanks as always,

David

Annapolis, MD
 
Is your boat bottom painted? If so, when was the last time you did so?


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I see you are from Maryland so I’m guessing you keep the boat in/off of the Chesapeake Bay. My experienced with the Bay is that growth happens quicker here then in cooler, less humid climates. This coupled with an aged bottom painting can compound the problem. In places with warm weather n water it’s not uncommon for folks to have there boat bottoms cleaned every month or two. Let us know what you find.

Jim
 
David,

I am on the Choptank in Cambridge MD and if I do not run the boat on a weekly basis for 2 to 3 hours, I get a brown slime growth that affects my performance significantly. That is with fresh pain, Micron CSC. I found the best way to keep the bottom relatively clean is to run the boat every 3 to 4 days for at least 1 hour.
 
hi, I have a 2019 r29cb. 6 people on board today 3/4 fuel and was at 21.5 knots wot. Clean bottom, painted. Even with some bottom growth 18 knots seems kinda low
 
Try using a diver instead of a short haul for bottom cleaning. Much cheaper.
 
Sandro":3vkpgj5v said:
hi, I have a 2019 r29cb. 6 people on board today 3/4 fuel and was at 21.5 knots wot. Clean bottom, painted. Even with some bottom growth 18 knots seems kinda low


This data was recently posted in another thread. It was from an owner of a R-29S with a Volvo D4. Based on his comments the speed is Kts. Clean bottom.

rpm speed mpg
r0950 4.0 6.9
r1210 5.5 7.8
r1460 6.0 5.4
r1500 6.1 4.8
r1560 6.4 4.2
r1700 6.7 3.5
r1810 7.2 3.3
r1900 7.4 2.7
r2020 7.8 2.3
r2390 8.2 1.7
r2460 8.7 1.4
r2680 10.0 1.2
r2910 11.4 1.2
r3130 14.1 1.2
r3190 14.4 1.2
r3230 14.6 1.2
r3330 15.6 1.2
r3610 17.4 1.1

The performance numbers for speed can be skewed. A one time performance number is not really a good gauge. The amount of gear on board makes a huge difference in speed in Rangers and Cutwaters. A boat geared for cruising and a boat geared for day cruising can be the difference of 3kts to 4 kts. The key component to look at is engine RPM in relationship to the boats performance numbers. Performance numbers given by another TugNut that show WOT at 23KTS one time run. Many R29 owners that I have talked to 18 to 20 kts average WOT is what is expected.
 
We have a 2021 R29S LE (320 hp Volvo). At delivery with minimal gear, 85% fuel, 30% water, 3 adults, 20% holding tank, clean bottom without paint, at WOT we averaged 22 knots (25.6 mph).
 
S.Todd Your performance numbers look like what I would expect for that boat at delivery. I remember when we took delivery of our C26 from Brent Reed. We went out on the lake cruising Bow high at 21.5 kts. I had a grin ear to ear!!! Then the boat continued to decrease slowly in speed. It was a slow process of adding more equipment, more essentials for longer duration cruising until the norm was 18.5 kts WOT. For the last 2 years I had a 18 kt WOT boat that cruised at 13 kts High cruise 3450rpm. Just before selling the Cutwater I unloaded all the equipment and the boat was close to the same way it was when we took delivery in 2016. I was amazed when I put the throttle down and saw 21.5 KT again!!! Actually the first run was with the current and the Garmin was showing 23 kts. In all reality the average speed WOT is 20.5kts full fuel and water 4 passengers.

My point in reference to this thread is If you have a known average performance number, the way you have it equipped. If it is different from another owners performance number, this doesn't mean you have an issue with the operation of the power plant. In this thread it was questioned that 18 kts may be an issue. If you have a known average performance number and you have added no more equipment and made no other changes to the boat and you see a decline in performance it is time to troubleshoot the issue. In this case it appears that the bottom is quickly fouling. If this is common for the waters he is cruising in I would research a better bottom paint. All antifouling paints are not the same. Inexpensive paints and expensive paints are different in quality. A one year old bottom job will perform better than a 3 yearly bottom job. At some point you pay the pipe. Expensive paint, more frequent bottom jobs in areas that bottoms foul frequently or pay for short hauls and divers frequently $$$.

S Todd congrats on the New Ranger Tug. I looked at the photos in your Album. Very Nice!!
 
As Brian's message indicates Ranger Tugs, when driven above displacement speeds are very sensitive to weight. We lost about a knot and a half on our R25SC when we loaded it for a typical 2 week trip. To maintain that performance: 1. Bottom stayed unpainted (boat is trailered) and gets waxed every year; 2. Packed carefully and tried not to bring stuff we would not use that trip and packed as lightly as possible. (Backack campers can carry what they need for a week on their backs and they don't bring the dutch oven that a camper in an RV might. I pack the boat somewhere in the middle - light weight cookware and dinner ware, etc., second anchor is a Fortress, bike on the roof weighs less than 20 lbs.) Spare prop would stay in the truck because I carried one for decades and never used it and the truck was typically within a hundred miles if I needed to go get it. The last leg of two week cruise would generally get us those early performance numbers because the refrigerator was getting empty and we tried to leave the lake with no more than a third of a tank of fuel for the day long trailer drive home. In my experience Ranger Tugs are not unique in this regard. Any boat's performance will be far more sensitive to bottom growth, even boats running more at displacement speeds.
(Brian, Thanks for the compliment. When we bought the F350 we had the bottom stripe put on it to match the blue hull on our R25. When we ordered the R29 in sand color we put the dark blue stripe on it to match the tow vehicle - it was a gamble that it would look decent and vinyl wrap is not permanent so we tried it. I think it works and it hides the scum line somewhat when the marina water we are in is not super clean.)
 
Thanks all for the great responses. I did have the boat short hauled and pressure washed. Speed back up to 18kts, but the guy who cleaned it warned me I needed new bottom paint, so I'm scheduling the same. If anyone has reco's on the best value for paint, I'm all ears. Happy to pay more if it's truly worth it.

Again, thanks all,

David
 
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