Volvo-Penta D4 300 - recommend speed

Burlington

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Stoney Lake Explorer
I have asked 5 people and get inconsistent answers. Question-what is the best for this engine after the first 100 hours?
Example- If you are crusing for 4-5 hours at 6-8 kn (no stopping), should you speed up for 10 minutes to 15-20 kn every hour?
 
My advice is to never run the Diesel engine at low RPM for long periods of time. Yes, every hour speed the engine up for maybe 5 to 10 mins. For my R-25 (Classic) I would do this and get the RPM up to 3800 for 10 mins.
 
I'm going to respectfully disagree with Barry. At a Volvo Penta seminar at Roche Harbor last year this question was asked to the VP techs. The answer was you could run these engines at normal trawler speed of say 1900/2300 rpm's for long periods of time with no harm, if this is your preference. It was also advised to run the engine up to a higher rpm for 10 minutes or so at the end of your cruise. We did this with our Yanmar powered R27 for 6 years without any problems and have done so on our D4 since purchase.

Jim F
 
Jim's information is obviously taken from Volvo's advice. My advice (and I should have mentioned this) was based on the Yanmar Diesel engine I had in my R-25 (Classic). Yanmar advises "...workshop manual suggests that their engines be run flat out for 5 minutes after two hours of running at low speeds." Suspect that their 'low speeds' refers more to battery charging than to motoring at less than about 75% of maximum revs.

Here's a snippet I had archived for myself some time ago, obtained from another forum.

Without wishing to insult other posters that I recognise are trying to give their best opinions, a lot of rubbish is talked generally about this subject and there is a great deal of "folklore".

There are several pertinent points to consider.

The first is common to any engine, petrol, diesel or indeed any other fuel and that is temperature and time at temperature. When stationary, as many marine diesels are for long periods there is condensation. This condensation is at it's worst when the engine has been running in a damp atmosphere and cools down but it happens all the time. This causes the lubricating oil to become emulsified with water and this water can cause corrosion. The cure is to get the engine good and hot to drive this off as steam. RPM does not matter greatly but the engine needs to be made to work to reach temperature and it needs to be hot for at least an hour or two.

The second is our old friend carbon build up on pistons, combustion chambers and valve stems. This is clearly at it's worst when the engine is run slowly for short periods when the engine never reaches full operating temperature and optimum combustion efficiency. The cure here is to avoid slow running especially for short periods.

The third is indeed bore glazing where, if the engine is only ever run slowly at low temperatures there can be excessive polishing of bores and gumming up of rings.
These conditions are often seen to have the same cause but in fact with modern oils the latter is not so much of a problem if the oil is changed regularly and never allowed to build up sludge due to emulsification (see first para)

What this all means in practice is that running at peak efficiency means adopting the attitude that about 80% throttle is best. At 60% it's probably still OK but less than this, especially for short periods, will cause problems in the long term. More than this probably won't cause harm in moderate bursts but is not going to improve matters and will as you indicate be fuel inefficient. If you do have glazing, cokeing up, or other problems however, a "good hammering" at full revs for an hour or so can often get it up to high temperature, bust the glaze, get rid of moisture and free gummed rings.
 
We have a R31CB with D4-300.
After two years I have found two cruising RPM ranges. 1800 RPM at 7 mph, 3mpg if short trip under 30 miles, 3000 RPM at 15 mph 1.5 mpg if long leg, up to 90 miles. Need trim tabs at fast cruise. D4 seems happy with either. I do run up to WOT, about 3500 at beginning and end of cruise to see if everything is working well. We have 2.6 miles of minimum wake, 5 mph to our home dock to warm up and cool off.
 
I too have asked this question to pretty well every diesel mechanic I have used in the last decade and there does seem to be some big differences in opinion from knowledgeable people. The one thing in common from all of the mechanics is that you should not run at low loads for long if the engine has not reached operating temperature (on our D6 this is 185 degrees). At the last boat show I went to the Volvo booth and asked the techs there the question about running for significant periods of time at low loads. The older tech said "diesels love a load" and don't run for long periods at low loads -- the younger tech said that with these modern engines you can run at low loads as long as the engine is at operating temperature indefinitely and the older tech deferred to the younger tech. I have had other recently trained Volvo certified mechanics tell me that if you are running at low loads (like trolling) then every hour run the engine at 80% load for 10 minutes. So there you have it -- clear as mud! One thing that the mechanics (at least the ones I have spoken with) do is that they talk in terms of load not percentage of RPM as they can be different. There is a way to show "engine load" on the Volvo gauges so you can see the actual load on the engine. So for now I am going with the younger Volvo tech and will run at low loads (at operating temp) when we want to go slow. I know that Boatdiesel.com has lots of info on this topic but I don't have a subscription.
 
FWIW,

After our Volvo KAD44P (260HP electronically controlled) was thoroughly broken in, we ran at 1300-1400 rpm 95+ percent of the time. Just hard enough to do 6-6.5 knots or so, and keep temp up to 175. Engine still doing well when we sold with 6,502 hours and 18 years of use.

First 2-3 years we ran at 80 or 90 percent of WOT RPM a lot, but rarely after that. No problem.
 
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