Waste tank cap location

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Pete

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Pumped out the waste tank on my new 27 for the first time yesterday. The cap is located directly under the stern rail with about 8 inches of clearance and I was unable to get the hose fitting/suction cup vertical above the outlet. I was able to get an effective seal and pump out successfully but with the variation in pump out designs I've encountered I can envisage, sooner or later, being stuck with a full tank that I can't empty.

I assume this is the same location as older Rangers. Has it proven to be a problem? I'll also check with the factory.
Pete
 
Pete":254wtopq said:
Pumped out the waste tank on my new 27 for the first time yesterday. The cap is located directly under the stern rail with about 8 inches of clearance and I was unable to get the hose fitting/suction cup vertical above the outlet. I was able to get an effective seal and pump out successfully but with the variation in pump out designs I've encountered I can envisage, sooner or later, being stuck with a full tank that I can't empty.

I assume this is the same location as older Rangers. Has it proven to be a problem? I'll also check with the factory.
Pete
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This has been discussed recently. You can make an adapter from PVC pipe and fittings to solve the problem.
 
Pete,

My experience is that most marinas have a 45 degree elbow adapter that allows access to the pump-out deck fitting below the rail on my R27. However, my home marina did not have that adapter, until I asked them to order one, which they did at their cost. On that same order, I asked them to order an extra adapter at my cost for me to carry with me as I cruise from marina to marina.
 
On my MY2010 R-25 the waste tank cap is located on the backward facing transom's vertical surface. Apart from having to move my swim step mounted dinghy this then allows all sorts of pump-out nozzle configurations. I agree with you that for your R-27 you need to have some form of adapter that can be used to cater to the various pump-out nozzle configurations you will encounter.

Please post back what the factory advice is for your R-27 in this regards. It could be that the factory design was taking into account that many of us locate dinghies on the swim step so they moved the waste tanks cap to a position that does not require moving the dinghy... I assume the railing that is in the way cannot be slid upwards to make more room for the pump-out nozzle.
 
My home marina has a right angle on the pumpout hose end. It fits under the rail without any issues.

Howard
 
HRowland":8ioiwuxa said:
My home marina has a right angle on the pumpout hose end. It fits under the rail without any issues.

Howard
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I believe Pete's R-27 is a MY2013 model. What year model is yours ?
 
baz":a99jpp60 said:
I believe Pete's R-27 is a MY2013 model. What year model is yours ?
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Ours is a MY2012.

Howard
 
Hoping the marina has an adapter does not seem wise if you are many miles from the next location especially somewhere like the Great Lakes where overboard discharge is not only illegal but also on many boats, not feasible. So making or buying an adapter makes sense though I dislike the idea of a fix that involves an extra piece of gear and a clean up step.

Rangers are thoughtfully designed in so many ways and I think this problem could have easily been avoided.
 
The Sealand Nozall Pumpout Adapter is available in 1 1/4" and other sizes to screw into your deck fitting. PVC fittings can also be used with the adapter but it takes up little space and really comes in handy. Secure it and label it or it will walk off in sticky little hands. Google can find it online.

Pat, Ladybug, Too
 
Pat, thanks. When I googled I didn't find an elbow adapter which I think is needed to avoid fouling the rail.
 
baz":1re33oir said:
Pete":1re33oir said:
Pat, thanks. When I googled I didn't find an elbow adapter which I think is needed to avoid fouling the rail.
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Pete: I looked about and found this one at http://www.jamestowndistributors.co...280&familyName=Jabsco+Dockside+Pumpout+Nozzle. A bit spendy mind you... :shock:

Have you contacted Ranger Tugs (Andrew and/or Kenny) about this issue yet. They just may spring for a soln. 😉
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Barry, the item you suggested is to be permanently installed in the pump-out facilities equipment. Most pump-out facilities in the PNW already have a similar type hose and angled connection. This is not something that a boat owner would want to buy.

I have found that while the rail is directly above the pump-out on the boat, the rubber nozzle does make a good fit it you press it into the hole firmly before opening the valve. Just do not slip, as it would be very messy if you broke the connection while pumping out. Not a perfect world and Ranger could have done a little better on this one, but we have always been able to pump out...at least here in the PNW.
 
Herb:

Thanks for the correction RE the adapter I referenced.

Pete obviously is concerned even though his first pump out was successful. If Pete encounters the same pump out nozzle configurations as we have around the PNW then he'll be happy. However, his concern presumably is that in his local area or other areas beyond PNW he may not be so lucky. You hail from TX, right? Have you encountered any issue with pump out nozzles in TX area not fitting tightly to secure a proper seal ?

Having a full waste tank and not being able to pump-out properly has to be a real concern for people.

The other concern I see is that the nozzle and the large diameter return pipe is quite heavy and cumbersome when pumping-out and if the seal is marginal and tired hands slip, you get a mighty nasty smelly mess that would be frowned upon by the marina staff etc.
 
Today I attempted to have the holding tank pumped out for the first time. As others have posted the location and the railing doesn't allow easy access with standard pump out hoses. The marina did find a cone shaped device that got the nasty job done. Not a perfect fit with trying to also bend the pumps hose under the railing. The marina staff had a few comments about the placement of the pump out fitting.
What are owners using to remedy this situation? I want to have something onboard for use at different marina's.
Someone mentioned using PVC, what size and configuration would work?
 
I was unable to have my (2015 R27) tank pumped out at Roche Harbor because of the rail clearance. The kid doing the pumping didn't try very hard, just said he couldn't do it. I asked him if he had any other type of adapter and he just said that every marina he had ever seen had Roche's type and that was it. I obviously caught this young man on a bad day. Roche's pump out had a less flexible "snout" with a yellow rubber skirt on it (I've not seen one just like it).

Has anyone come across a 90 or 45 degree adapter or is piecing one together necessary?
To save me a trip, are our pump out outlets 1.25 or 1.5 inches?

Thanks
 
Splash: If I was in your position concerning this pump out issue I would either make a modification to the railing so that typical pump out nozzles can be inserted securely and speak with the Ranger Tug factory Andrew/Kenny about this. Your boat is brand new (a 2015 model no less) and this issue has been around since 2013 at least, and still persists.... sigh. :?
 
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