2009 classic ranger 25 stuff for sale.

[Niels Hansen]

I will be operating my ranger classic out of northern Vancouver island and will not need air conditioning. I opted for more storage space. I have all the extra little parts needed to fit the 2009 ranger. I have repowered the boat with another 4 cylinder diesel engine and thus have the old cummins ECU available. Before I put them on Ebay I wanted to give the tug nuts a shot at those parts. if there is any interest, I will be making my way north from Salt Lake City, Boise, Pendleton, Yakima, Seattle, Bellingham, Nanaimo, and Campbell River beginning 26 June. If there is anyone interested, arrangements can be made to meet along that route.

 

[Idylwild]

Can I ask you why you replaced the ECU? Use? Headaches? More power? I’ve heard disparaging statements about the ECUs….

 

[Niels Hansen]

Can I ask you why you replaced the ECU? Use? Headaches? More power? I’ve heard disparaging statements about the ECUs….

the original engine failed for reasons I am don't know about. It was replaced by a VM Motori diesel engine. They are essentially the same. They are both engines developed by BMW and bolt up the same and share the same displacement and power ratings. For purposes of this discussion, they do not share the same engine ECU or fuel control system. The Cummins/BMW is proprietary Cummins computer control systems while the VM/BMW is a complete Bosch engine control system including injectors and ECU,s. When the failed cummins engine was replaced, they just left all the Cummins ECU and wiring harnesses in the boat...still mounted in their original locations. Sorry I had to build a watch in order to tell you what time it is! Hope this helps. Still have the Cummins ECU and will gladly give it to you if you can use it. I just hated to throw it away.

 

[Idylwild]

You are a gentleman.... thank you!
I am looking at a much neglected 25SC... neglect is one thing, engine replacement another. I am trying to get a feel for the Cummins / Mercruiser debacle that seems to accompany some (or all?) of those model years. Price is right on the vessel, but I approach the purchase with the dichotomy of keeping it or flipping it.... sometimes I buy to restore and flip, sometimes to keep. (I'd like to keep this one, it appears to check all the boxes.) Watches are intricate, always worth the time to educate oneself. Appreciate your answer, I'll take it into consideration.

 

[Idylwild]

.... and I should have asked- how has the replacement worked out for you? (They sold lots of these engines, I doubt they all sucked, but.....?)
Thank you.

 

[Chimo]

the original engine failed for reasons I am don't know about. It was replaced by a VM Motori diesel engine. They are essentially the same. They are both engines developed by BMW and bolt up the same and share the same displacement and power ratings. For purposes of this discussion, they do not share the same engine ECU or fuel control system. The Cummins/BMW is proprietary Cummins computer control systems while the VM/BMW is a complete Bosch engine control system including injectors and ECU,s. When the failed cummins engine was replaced, they just left all the Cummins ECU and wiring harnesses in the boat...still mounted in their original locations. Sorry I had to build a watch in order to tell you what time it is! Hope this helps. Still have the Cummins ECU and will gladly give it to you if you can use it. I just hated to throw it away.

Greetings from the south end of the Island! Don’t need the parts but I’m just curious about the possibility of replacing the d3 VolvoPenta with a VM Motori unit if that ever becomes necessary since the VP unit is discontinued. Did you source this in Canada?

 

[Niels Hansen]

.... and I should have asked- how has the replacement worked out for you? (They sold lots of these engines, I doubt they all sucked, but.....?)
Thank you.

I am like you! I bought my 2009 sc25 with considerable water damage about a year ago. The motor has .5 hrs on it and has never been in the water. It sounds and runs great. My initial plan was to hang an outboard on the back. after I found out it came with a brand inboard diesel, I decided to repair the damage, sell it and use the equity to buy a newer 25 or 27 that already has the outboard on it. Know anyone who needs a 2009 SC25 with a new motor, transmission, front and rear thrusters, new front seats, new fresh water pump, macerator pump, shower pan assembly and a handful of other smaller repairs ?

 

[Niels Hansen]

Greetings from the south end of the Island! Don’t need the parts but I’m just curious about the possibility of replacing the d3 VolvoPenta with a VM Motori unit if that ever becomes necessary since the VP unit is discontinued. Did you source this in Canada?

parts can be a problem. A Detroit marine dealer in St Pete in Florida is the primary source and where mine was purchased and installed.

I am like you! I bought my 2009 sc25 with considerable water damage about a year ago. The motor has .5 hrs on it and has never been in the water. It sounds and runs great. My initial plan was to hang an outboard on the back. after I found out it came with a brand inboard diesel, I decided to repair the damage, sell it and use the equity to buy a newer 25 or 27 that already has the outboard on it. Know anyone who needs a 2009 SC25 with a new motor, transmission, front and rear thrusters, new front seats, new fresh water pump, macerator pump, shower pan pump assembly. and needs a handful of other smaller repairs ? $60K USD will buy it.

Detroit diesel was another player and owner of the BMW/VM engine journey over time. they owned it until they sold it to mercruiser before Cummins picked it up. I am not sure about availability in Canada.

 

[NorthernFocus]

.... and I should have asked- how has the replacement worked out for you? (They sold lots of these engines, I doubt they all sucked, but.....?)
Thank you.

We purchased a used 2008 R25 with 400 hrs on the 150 "Cummins" engine. It served us well through this past season and has accumulated over 2500 operating hrs.

When we purchased it the turbo had been recently replaced. This was a common issue on these engines if operated continuously at WOT(i.e. outside the design operating window). The boats with these engines were advertised as 20kt capable which wasn't realistic when loaded for real world use. With the 150 Cummins operated at 80 percent power it's a 11-12kt boat.

Our boat had the original ECU and initially we had the infamous "white smoke" starting problem. After some research here on Tugnuts and elsewhere and reading the engine manual(shocker) the issue was easily resolved with larger starting battery(i.e. higher starting amp capacity) that exceeded the Cummins specs. The batteries supplied by the factory barely met name plate spec which means in practical use they were under sized. We never did replace the ECU. A lot of time/effort went into upgrading the fleet with new ECUs when simply installing a larger battery solved the problem. The ECU won't start the engine unless the engine is turning at least 150rpm or if battery voltage drops below a certain threshold. The updated ECUs simply lowered the voltage threshold. Larger battery is simply able to stay above the original voltage threshold during start.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with these engines if operated within the design window. If you're looking for a fast boat this isn't it.

 

[Idylwild]

I am like you! I bought my 2009 sc25 with considerable water damage about a year ago. The motor has .5 hrs on it and has never been in the water. It sounds and runs great. My initial plan was to hang an outboard on the back. after I found out it came with a brand inboard diesel, I decided to repair the damage, sell it and use the equity to buy a newer 25 or 27 that already has the outboard on it. Know anyone who needs a 2009 SC25 with a new motor, transmission, front and rear thrusters, new front seats, new fresh water pump, macerator pump, shower pan assembly and a handful of other smaller repairs ?

I do not but will certainly keep it in mind. Sounds like a nice vessel at a discount for a willing buyer. I am pursuing one in Washington State that shows badly but is inherently OK (up to this point). Awaiting the survey. If it pans out it has to come east, get sorted out and might even make a planned trip well into the Erie Canal in September. After a life and career professionally sailing I am going exploring the inland waters of the eastern US. These boats look to be the right machine for the gig. I appreciate your feedback (and thinking). Good luck with your planned ambitions!

 

[Idylwild]

We purchased a used 2008 R25 with 400 hrs on the 150 "Cummins" engine. It served us well through this past season and has accumulated over 2500 operating hrs.

When we purchased it the turbo had been recently replaced. This was a common issue on these engines if operated continuously at WOT(i.e. outside the design operating window). The boats with these engines were advertised as 20kt capable which wasn't realistic when loaded for real world use. With the 150 Cummins operated at 80 percent power it's a 11-12kt boat.

Our boat had the original ECU and initially we had the infamous "white smoke" starting problem. After some research here on Tugnuts and elsewhere and reading the engine manual(shocker) the issue was easily resolved with larger starting battery(i.e. higher starting amp capacity) that exceeded the Cummins specs. The batteries supplied by the factory barely met name plate spec which means in practical use they were under sized. We never did replace the ECU. A lot of time/effort went into upgrading the fleet with new ECUs when simply installing a larger battery solved the problem. The ECU won't start the engine unless the engine is turning at least 150rpm or if battery voltage drops below a certain threshold. The updated ECUs simply lowered the voltage threshold. Larger battery is simply able to stay above the original voltage threshold during start.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with these engines if operated within the design window. If you're looking for a fast boat this isn't it.

Good info Dan, thank you. I have a Grover 26 (cool old boat) with a fresh rebuild on a Lehman 120, a Sisu 26 with a fresh Perkins 4.236 and now possibly one of these. It is time to clear the boat inventory, but it has been an adventure learning these engines (plus the Yanmars on my commercial sailing cats). They all have their quirks to be sure.

 

[OverTime]

I am like you! I bought my 2009 sc25 with considerable water damage about a year ago. The motor has .5 hrs on it and has never been in the water. It sounds and runs great. My initial plan was to hang an outboard on the back. after I found out it came with a brand inboard diesel, I decided to repair the damage, sell it and use the equity to buy a newer 25 or 27 that already has the outboard on it. Know anyone who needs a 2009 SC25 with a new motor, transmission, front and rear thrusters, new front seats, new fresh water pump, macerator pump, shower pan assembly and a handful of other smaller repairs ?

Was it sunk?

 

[Niels Hansen]

parts can be a problem. A Detroit marine dealer in St Pete in Florida is the primary source and where mine was purchased and installed.


Detroit diesel was another player and owner of the BMW/VM engine journey over time. they owned it until they sold it to mercruiser before Cummins picked it up. I am not sure about availability in Canada.

Was it sunk?

It was not sunk. However, a Florida hurricane dumped a lot water in a short period and filled the engine compartment along with the other low points in the boat with fresh water. Electric motors don't like to be submerged and there are a lot of them affected. They have all been replaced including both front and rear thrusters along with starters on both the main engine and the Mase generator.