Had it with holding tank vent odors!

scross

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R-25 Classic - Sold
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In the middle of a 16 day cruise in the San Juan and Gulf Islands and have had it with the holding tank vent smell every time we flush. I know this has been the subject of many prior posts.
I have a 2009 R25 Classic. The OD of the vent line hose is 7/8". Does anyone know the ID for that hose?
Looks like I have about 16" of room behind the "live well storage" to put in an inline filter. Leaning towards an AirForce filter which is 15.75" without the hose barbs. Worried I don't have enough room. Has anyone used this filter?
 
Had the same feelings a few weeks ago. Can only recommend the Big Orange Filter. See installation in our album. Really happy now.
 
I'm not familiar with the Airforce filter.
4 years ago I built my own charcoal filter and have been extremely happy with it. I get absolutely no odors, when I do I just change the charcoal. I've changed it twice in the past 4 years and one time was because the tank overfilled backing up into the filter. You could make one to fit the available space that you have. Here is the link to my original post which contains the link on how to make one.
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Hi Al,

I built a filter based on Brian's link. I made mine a bit shorter but it still works great. No more odor. None. I don't have the measurement but I think you can build one short enough to work in that space. My recollection is the ID of the hose on our boat is 5/8".

Curt
 
Thanks Brian and Curt! That ID makes sense with an OD of 7/8".
Curt - last week we were exactly at the same spot on the Prevost Harbor dock as we were last year with you. Missed you and Tracy!
Spending the rest of the week scoping out several new places and passes we will be using for our late August trip to Princess Louisa. Tomorrow we are in Silva Bay.
Just want to do this next trip without the horrible cockpit odors when flushing! Will either go with the AirForce filter or build my own. But will do something!!
 
You will love Princess Louisa! We were just there last month. Safe travels!

Curt
 
I installed a filter and it worked ok but I think the main thing that helped is to keep the tank as clean and deodorized as possible. I use Thetford Aqua Kem with great results. I double flush the holding tank with fresh water when I pump out and use at least double the recommended "dose" with a gallon of fresh water. I repeat weekly if I don't pump out and daily (regular dose) when on a cruise. Not the slightest whiff except an occasional hint of minty freshness 😉
 
McThomas,
Thanks for the input! We are using tank chemicals (CP) after every time we pump out and adding more about twice a week on cruises. It's not solving the problem. Will look for some Aqua Kem and give that a try the way you are using it.
We will do a pump out at Bellingham tomorrow and will do a fresh water fill with a bit of dish soap added and pump out again immediately after. I think we will try to a double pump out every time we can going forward.
 
Sequel had a very nice response under another thread "Holding tank vent filter". Search for "Peggie Hall" and it'll pop up. I bought the book and the chemical.
 
Scuba Too - thanks for the book reference. Put it on order with Amazon!
Did the waste tank pump out in Squalicum this evening. Then filled waste tank with 10 gallons of fresh water and ran more fresh water through the toilet. I was stunned by how much, ah, "color" came out with the second pump out. Going to do that process everytime it is possible from now on!
 
I sympathize with the holding tank odour problems. Our solution was to get rid of the whole system and install a composting toilet (Airhead). We now have no odours, no holding tank to empty, no macerator pump and no problems. Just happy cruising and a yearly emptying of the composted waste. 🙂
 
We had a odor problem on our R23. Also do two fresh water rinses on pump out and found a great product called "Just Forget About It For Boats". Works great...no more odor and no filters to deal with.
 
HI WildRose,
Can you explain the process for the fresh water rinses? Also, thanks for the tip on the product.
Bob
 
Between doing a double fresh water rinse and installing the owner built inline filter described above, we eliminated about 80-90% of the bad odors.
The rinse process is pretty simple. First use the pump out vac to empty the black water holding tank. Then fill the black tank tank with about 20 gallons of fresh water through the pump out opening. Flush head a number of times. Vac out again. Fill black tank a final time with fresh water. More flushing. Vac out a third and final time. Add recommended chemicals.
This won't completely eliminate all odors but we went from unbearable "I think I'm going to die from inhaling this" level of odor to just mildly offensive!
 
Been there. We previously had a R25SC. Had the same oder problem. Found a vent filter that worked and fit easily. Google Big Orange Filters. The original Square Big Orange filter fit on the back of the black water tank and took about 20 minutes to install. Never had a problem for the two seasons we had the boat. We now have a R29S. The Big Orange would not fit, however I found a filter By SeaRusSales that did, and I just installed it this weekend. Will let you know how it works.
 
We have the R29 CB. Where did you install the filter? Under the middle section of the bed in the forward berth? Can you provide pictures? : )

Thanks,
Eric
 
If you flush the tank and keep it clean without it sitting with waste, the tank smell will subside. The vent filter will help with odor as you flush but it won’t help with the smell from waste sitting in a tank for sometime. Flush the tank and flush it regularly and the smell won’t continue.

Thank you,
 
Yes Scuba Too, under the fwd berth. It fit on the flat stbd and fwd of the draw frame. The only problem was the close proximity of the filter in fitting to the black water tank vent out fitting. Rather than use a number of elbow fittings which would produce some flow restrictions an additional length of vent hose (about 2 1/2 ft) was added from the black water vent out fitting to the filter in fitting incorporating a 360 loop up and down just fwd of the macerator and attached to the inside of the berthing frame. Will work on pictures.
 
I have done a 'cut & paste' to a previous post I made last June 15, 2017, below. A lot of folks use the filters, and some have had great results. However, if you do some research as outlined below, you will find that the odor can be eliminated (rather than masked) by a very simple approach that avoids additional installation, cost, maintenance, etc.

As with most issues, there is more than one answer or approach. In that spirit I offer this approach that has served us well. Since this post last June, we put 57 days/nights on Seaquel including a 17-day trip to Desolation Sound, and continue to have success with eliminating the holding tank problem. So we are now 3 years into this approach, with no investment in a filter, no hassle to install, no additional maintenance to change out filters annually, etc.

Good luck, and happy to answer any other questions regarding this alternative approach!

Here is a link to last year's posting, with the text below that:

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Preview: Re: Holding tank vent filter
Seaquel wrote:
I will offer an alternative perspective on addressing the all-too-common issue of holding tank odor. When we purchased our then 2-year old R27, we inherited not only a reeking holding tank; but also a stench that had lingered inside the boat as well. Like most, my initial action was to install a filter system. However, anything that adds ongoing maintainence and cost gets extra scrutiny before I add it to my boat, and I did some research around CAUSE of the issue rather than the SYMPTOM. My findings:

A) Purchased the small book, "Get Rid Of Boat Odors" written by Peggie Hall, AKA "The Headmistress". Available on Amazon for $9.95. Best ten bucks you'll ever spend!

B) Stopped using my old holding tank treatment chemicals which were not working. Purchased "Odorlos", a holding tank treatment that adheres to the principles espoused in Peggie Hall's book, which is to utilize oxygen as a solution rather than a problem. Think about it: when you add a filter to your waste system you are trapping (masking) the problem. Instead, this is how Odorlos works:

"Provides naturally occurring bacteria with a continuous supply of the best alternative energy source to pure oxygen - nitrates." A 6 lb. tub costs $21.34 at Amazon, and for our 30 gal. holding tank one treatment is about 2 oz., so each tank treatment is literally pennies ($0.22/oz. = $0.44/tank).

The other learning is that leaving any saltwater in the holding tank provides a breeding ground for bad, smelly bacteria. This part is intuitive: saltwater contains all kinds of living organisms that, left in the tank in between boating trips, breed and/or die and begin to stink. Previously, after emptying the blackwater from the holding tank I would pump back in a gallon or two of saltwater (either from the toilet and or from the aft spraydown nozzle) and add the old type of treatment to this. Left alone in between boat usage (with no waste transferred from toilet to holding tank) the tank would begin to stink. That's right, without even adding waste - which is a big clue as to the root of the problem.

Now, here's what I do instead: after emptying the holding tank (and flushing with salt water a couple of times to ensure tank is relatively clear) I add two small scoops of Odorlos directly into the toilet. I then add one gallon of FRESH water into the toilet bowl and flush into the holding tank. That's it.

However, don't be too thrifty with flushing the toilet while on your boat. If you "short-flush" only enough to move contents from the bowl, but not enough to TRANSPORT contents from the toilet through the hoses and all the way into the holding tank you invite the problem. That's because another cause of odor is leaving contents in the untreated hose and not reaching the treatment center (holding tank). The "cost" of filling up your holding tank a little sooner is well worth it compared to managing odor that has permeated your hoses.

Results: not only is the old stench gone, from both the tank and throughout the interior compartments, but it has never returned. We are are well into 2 years on this system and it has worked to perfection, and no additional installation or filters to change out perpetually. I would have shared this sooner, but in fact wanted to go a long enough period to prove the results worked and were not temporary. I'm now convinced enough to recommend this approach without any reservation.
 
Bob, It a simple process: after the initial pump out we just fill the tank with fresh water, pump that out and repeat the process. Then we add "Just Forget About It For Boats". We have used the product for over a year and have not been disappointed with its performance so far. Hope it works as well for you!
 
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