2015 R21EC - diesel burping out the tank vent...

sheral

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Fluid Motion Model
C-24 C SE
Hull Identification Number
FMLT2114H415
Vessel Name
Sheral Ann (2015 R-21EC)
MMSI Number
316029832
I have read the previous posts about this issue and seems our 2015 R21EC is also plagued with diesel fuel burping out the vent and leaving a real gooey dirty mess on the back of the boat...

Just thought I would check to see what the most recent consensus is regarding the installation of a one way check valve between the tank and the vent is? If you have had luck with one can you please let us know what make yours is?

Thanks....
 
I don't have an answer for you, but I'm interested in knowing how much fuel is in the tank when this issue happens ? Also, do you have any idea about how full the tank has to be in order for this issue to arise ?

Also, I'm a bit confused about the use of a one-way check valve being a possible solution. My understanding of a fuel vent is to allow air to easily expel from the tank cavity as fuel is pumped into the tank. The one-way check valve would do what to allow air to vent but prevent fuel to vent or be expelled ?

On my recently sold R-25, I placed a whistle about 12" below the fuel vent opening on the transom. The idea being that the whistle sound would be deaden or even stopped when the fuel level got so high as to start pushing fuel up into the tank's vent line. It worked pretty well except onlookers did not like the whistle sound. 😱

Thanks... 🙂
 
Our tank is currently about 2/3'rds full and overnight about a quarter cup of fuel (windy night on the water) was expelled out of the vent.

Good point about the mechanics of a one way check valve set up...maybe it won't allow the required venting. Just thought someone had found that the check valve solved the issue. Also seems someone had extended the vent line and looped the line before it attached to the vent, which fixed the fuel leak...

I did query the 'whistle' earlier and will keep it in mind should no other fixes be considered.
 
NorthernFocus":2tz46sh8 said:
Have you checked to see if there is a low spot in the vent hose? It should be all uphill to the exit point.

We will check today. Thanks.
 
NorthernFocus":1h71plla said:
Have you checked to see if there is a low spot in the vent hose? It should be all uphill to the exit point.

Yes.... I corrected a slight down hill slope on my fuel vent line on my previous R-25 when I installed a 'whistle'. This is something well worth looking into.
 
Wow on the 21 there's not much room around the vent line is there? It was really rock'in out there again today so we didn't spend much time on the issue although the line does climb from the tank to the outlet without any real obvious low points in the line. We were going to install a simple in-line fuel filter just before the vent, but with the lack of room, it may need to be put on our growing winter project list. Just disappointing that it would be an issue at all. You can't tell me that a baffle couldn't have been installed below the tank outlet to prevent fuel from getting into the vent line.
 
A check valve designed for installation in the vent line of a fuel tank will close if fuel rises in the vent line. Inside the valve housing a ball floats up into the closed position in the presence of fuel. The valve needs to be installed more or less vertically with the correct end up for the valve to work properly. The valve remains open during air flow into or out of the tank. I have both a whistle and a one way valve in the vent line of my R27. Works for me.
 
I purchased a plastic rectangular shaped bottle designed to be suction cup fastened over the vent with a screw on top that acts as vent when removed. The back of the bottle has a cushioned opening that goes over the vent, and the bottle collects any fuel that comes out the vent while fueling. When I'm next at the boat, I'll check the manufacturers name.
 
The surge protector linked above looks much like the one on my boat, so I think it will work. I note that you are in Canada and the link sited is in the U.S. You might read the current thread regarding on-line shopping with West Marine. Shipping charges for cross border can be unreasonably expensive.
 
I have a 2013 21EC which DOES NOT have the fuel "burping" issue. I'm curious what was changed to make this an issue in 2015 (again).

I reviewed the Tugnuts forums before I bought my boat. There WAS a fuel tank vent problem in approx MY 2007-9. The factory seemed to come up with a solution. A couple representative threads here:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=386&p=2506#p2506
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=391&p=5460#p5460

Agree a baffled tank would less likely 'regurgitate' fuel into vent system.

Please keep Tugnuts in the loop with solutions...3 years from now a prospective buyer will wonder if there was a resolution.

dave
 
Osprey":36p2jhot said:
The surge protector linked above looks much like the one on my boat, so I think it will work. I note that you are in Canada and the link sited is in the U.S. You might read the current thread regarding on-line shopping with West Marine. Shipping charges for cross border can be unreasonably expensive.

copy on the shipping / brokerage costs. thanks.
 
I have an R27 and have often wonder about the ability of water to enter the vent hole because of the angle at which it sits. In a blowing rain it would appear that water could be forced around the lip and into the diesel tank. Has any one experienced this problem?
 
Hi guys: That same old chestnut. I seem to recall raising this subject arround a year ago. My vessel, RHAPSODY, is a 2009/2010 21EC. In calm seas, or on rivers, there is no problem, however when in choppy conditions, slight swells, or rough seas, whenever the vessel rolls, the fuel in the tank surges and sloshes from side to side. Result: fuel escapes from the fuel tank filler cap vent, runs down the transom gunwales and down each side and into the sea.

There is no tank vent on the port side, contrary to the owner's manual, however there is a vent in the filler tube, leading to a hose which runs transversely across the top of the tank to the port side where it is then led into the tank via a metal L-shaped connection. I guess this is designed to act as a relief/escape medium for excess fuel when filling under pressure and/or, maybe in side-to-side surge conditions. The problem is, it cannot cope with the volume of fuel displaced upwards through the filler tube - being the only escape for fuel displaced by the violent surging action in a tank with no baffles (fore and aft dwarf bulkheads).

As you all may be aware, the fuel filler cap has two holes in a circular plate atached to the underside of the cap. These two holes vent to the underside of the cap and then to the outside elements, as they are supposed to do.

Not sure what anyone else thinks, but from many years experience in the Navy as a Marine Technician (Boiler Tech) and many years handling marine fuels and managing ballasting and trim in warships, I feel there is a simple solution: baffles or dwarf bulkheads in the fuel tanks. Limber holes in the base and centre of these baffles would allow free movement of fuel, while limiting the surge effect and the resultant upwards passage of fuel under pressure.

Be interested to hear what others in the Tugnut fraternity think.

Having said all this, I am extremely happy with my Tug. I just would like to see this problem fixed. It can't be that hard to design a modified fuel tank.

Regards to all. Stevan
 
There is no change from the 2013 to 2015 it's all about the vent hose. It needs to be short enough that no fuel can collect in the hose. I remove the end off the tank and stretch it tight and cut off any remaining and the problem will be solved. It is very easy to do. In production, the fuel tank is set before the hull so it's easy to leave some extra hose which we have addressed. The hose kits are pre made and important for us to keep up on our suppliers to make sure what they provide are exact. Sorry for the issue!
 
Thanks Andrew. We will try that. Could a 'service bulletin' possibly be sent out to the dealers so they can simply pass on these tidbits when asked about issues such as this?

Regards.
 
Sheral , with respect to the reference of 45 degrees maximum off vertical for the surge protector, I take that as the maximum off vertical including the angle during the maximum roll of the boat in rough sea conditions. The install angle for "flat" condition should be much closer to vertical than 45 degrees.
 
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