27 to 31

mikegray

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Question for those with 31s. We bought a 27 over 2 years ago. I would have loved to have gone bigger back then but was afraid it would have been too big being my first boat. We're entertaining a 31 sedan or command bridge. Can anyone provide any feed back on handling of the 31.
Thanks
 
With anything size does matter. You have advantages and disadvantages. I think my 31' gives me a slight advantage in bad weather and rough seas, however it has it's disadvantage at docking and close quarters handling. The wind and current are going to effect a larger boat more then a smaller one. What I like is I can over come the disadvantage of docking and close quarter handling with practice (which I need a lot more of) making things even. I would much rather practice on my terms then to try practicing handling a smaller boat in bad weather to become more proficient at it to equalize the difference in size. Just my opinion and as my wife says I'm A Little Loopy!

Dayle
A Little Loopy
 
Hi, I can only speak to transitioning from the 29 classic to a 31 Sedan. Both are very easy to handle and dock. I have run mine single-handed, and had no issues. The 31 feels a bit more “solid” but there are no substantial differences in running either. On both of these, I took them out in very challenging conditions (Straits of Juan de Fuca at 44 knots of wind, Puget Sound in 40 knots and crossed Dixon Entrance, Alaska in waves big enough the my boat disappeared between waves, according to an onlooker). I can testify as to their ability to handle those conditions!

Size of the boat did not impact ease of docking either. You may want to lay in extra happy hour supplies though - the cockpit easily seats eight!

(By the way, my 31 is for sale here on Tugnuts)
 
We have had a 2014 a 31CB for 2 years. Easy to handle with thrusters. We bought used, with features we do not use. Would not get cockpit helm. And since we have bridges to home port would have bought sedan, rarely use CB. Other than that it is a great boat. I like being to single hand it with lower helm door. Spinner makes a good point, big cockpit. Boat sleeps 2, eats 4, drinks 8.
 
Thanks for the input. Probably won't take much convincing
 
We traded our 2014 R25SC for a new R31 Sedan last fall and now have 63 hours on the new boat. We operate on the Columbia River where current is a given, sometimes over 3 knots through our slip. Fortunately we head directly into it as we enter the slip.

We had the R25 in the same slip and took her the full length of the Snake and most of the Columbia – Clarkston to Portland, 6 locks, about 5 weeks.

We also were concerned about handling the additional length – needlessly. Yes, you have to remember where the stern is swinging, but that is true of any boat. The visibility out the rear of the cabin is much improved over the 25 (and presumably the 27) because the head is forward rather than in the galley. In fact there are so many windows, it is hard to find a spot to hang anything on the salon walls.

The 31 is a little beamer and a bit heavier. This improves the handling in two ways. First, the increased size makes her more sea-kindly as weather picks up. The additional weight makes it easier to control at slow speeds, as when approaching a berth.

That seemed counterintuitive when we asked other owners about it while deciding to get the larger boat. The R25 was very responsive to the throttle and it could be easily moved 6 feet at a time. The increased momentum of the R31 requires some forethought – but any boat should. The increased inertia means that it can be easily moved 6 inches at a time. We can give a little throttle when we need water passing the rudder without gaining headway. As far as stopping, there is plenty of power available. We even backed it three boat lengths alongside a pier into the current. Not something that would be fun on a daily basis, but we wanted to know we could. We haven’t taken the 31 through a lock yet, but we are sure it is going to be much simpler than the 25.

We keep close track of fuel economy and were pleasantly surprised that at reasonable speeds (say up to about 15 mph) we are getting the same miles per gallon as we did on the 25. We can get up to 20 to 23 miles per hour (statute miles on inland rivers) on the Willamette. That is a better test than the Columbia because the current is less. We don’t run at that speed long enough to have good fuel data. We bought the boat primarily for river travel and running above 15 mph invites unfriendly visits from snags, deadheads, etc. About 12 mph seems to be a good compromise for speed, fuel economy, engine load, and reasonable arrival times.

We are romantics interested in traditional tugs and workboats. We loved the diesel 25; she was our first power boat and we learned a lot from her. One of the things we learned is that we would rather be on a larger boat when cruising for weeks at a time. We intend to start the Great Loop this year and are glad we made the change.
 
mikegray,

The transition from our previous R27 to our current R31S was trivial!

The R31S is much easier to handle, I think due to its additional mass. I don't believe it gets blown around as much at idle speed by strong side winds as did the R27. The R31S handles larger waves much better, again due to its greater mass - added beam and width. At slower speeds, in hitting a large wave, the R31S tends to plow through the waves instead of bouncing so much through the waves.

Handling the R31S in docking in some ways seems much easier than with the R27, partly due to access through the helm door. I love the helm door when docking or departing from the dock.

Typically, when docking my wife throws a temporary stern line around a dock cleat or piling from the cockpit without leaving the boat. I leave a 25' line on the bow cleat with the loose end of the line tied to the bow railing that I can easily reach from the dock. I then step out the helm door to firmly tie up the bow, after which I proceed to the stern to finish tying up the stern from the dock. My wife never has to leave the boat until we are tied up completely. Departing from the dock the whole process is done in reverse with me stepping back into the boat from the helm door, after I release the bow line. Once at the helm, my wife from inside the cockpit releases the stern line.

If single-handing, I handle a line from the mid-ship cleat from the helm door then proceed to the cockpit for a stern line which I have ready to use - using the remote thruster control if needed to adjust the boat to the dock.

As far as the added length of the R31S (31' plus 4' swim step), I hardly notice it. On day trips, we go into lots of crowded dockside restaurant marinas where I have to be careful with 35' versus 30' for the R27, but it seems easily done, partly due to the improved visibility from inside the R31S. Also, I have SS truck convex mirrors mounted on the rails on both sides to improve visibility astern when underway.
 
I moved from an R27 to an R31CB two years ago. Only a few additional items to add to this thread:

1) piloting from the R31 command bridge is great fun, and docking (from CB) is much easier than on R27 (provided you have sufficient dock hands)
2) climbing into bed (R31) is much better than crawling into the v-berth (R27)
3) the cave on R31 is actually usable for adults.
 
We love our 27 to bits, and are using the extra hundred grand to travel the world while we wait for the Northwest boating season to begin.
 
We went from an R-25 classic, to an R-29 classic, to an R-31S. The 25 was our first boat. Each step up was relatively easy which is probably a combination of better handling and cruising capability of the larger boats, and better skills on our part.

The biggest factor, for me, was learning how to use the rudder and feather the throttle in close quarters. I went from trying to steer the 25 at idle to kicking the stern of the 31 with brief thrusts of the prop wash against the rudder.

All in all, I'd echo the experience of others in this thread.

Cheers,

Bruce
 
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