AIS 300 upgrade

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I agree the 600 lets another vessel know who you are and your location. I never thought of it as a vessel in distress tool. I see how it could assist. My method is my VHF, programmed with mmsi number, linked to my GPS. Press and hold the red bottom for 5 to10 seconds. Details of my vessel, my position, are broadcast to the Coast Guard and any other vessel in the area with a DSC equipped VHF are notified of emergency assistance needed. If you can send a message, give details of your emergency. If you can not send a message it is concidered immediate emergency assistance needed. I have AIS 300 but considering upgrading to 600 in the future.
Brian Brown
Cutwater 26
PORT-A-GEE
 
daveo":2d07wftt said:
I work for San Juan County. About a year ago, one of our smaller County boats broke down. Of course, it was foggy. They were adrift radioing for help and were not sure where they were. Eventually, they tied onto a channel buoy and were able to radio the rescue County boat, the buoy number. If they had AIS, it would have been simple to motor up to them, even if they were drifting.

If they had a GPS their coordinates could have been read off of that.
 
knotflying":1qvee6f8 said:
All points at this juncture are purely speculative. I would have to see data that would convince me that a small vessel transmitting made a difference in collision avoidance. Assuming the small vessel (me) has AIS receive, If I were dead in the water I would be proactive and contact the large vessel approaching and advise that I had no power. Once contact is made having AIS becomes secondary. Being a former pilot when conditions were instrument we all had to fly under the same rules and were coordinated through air traffic control and all had transponders (similar to AIS) so until all boaters are required to have AIS I look at it as an added safety luxury but not a full proof safety feature. As long as one vessel is transmitting and one receives then human intervention is obtainable.

Mike: The first thing that comes to mind in your scenario where you say "I would be proactive and contact the large vessel approaching..." is that you could very well be preoccupied with figuring out your 'dead in the water' issue with your head down and totally distracted and unaware of an approaching vessel on a possible collision course with you. Surely the AIS 600 transmit feature would help address this case.

For my cruising in the PNW Puget Sound area and the islands to the north there's very often foggy conditions (especially in morning time) and large ships and the fast moving Ferries in and about the northern islands are common. The Ferries especially do not slow down in foggy conditions and there was an incident the other year where a Ferry in fog conditions (I think it was foggy) in the San Juan islands mowed down a small sailboat. It cut the boat in two and it sunk in 250 feet of water.... the sailor survived thank goodness. Ref: http://komonews.com/news/local/state-ferry-collides-with-sailboat-in-san-juan-islands. If this incident was not during foggy conditions then this situation is even more dire IMO and would suspect the Ferry captain was severely distracted.

You never know how the fog conditions might manifest. You can start out early in the morning at the crack of dawn and visibility is good, then making a turn around the end of an island you run smack into thick fog.... what to do ????? Yes, you could turn about and go back or decided to venture onwards but slowly with full lookout, radar going, horn blasting every now and then, AND having AIS 600 to inform the big boys where the heck you are. For the extra cost of AIS 600 over 300 I'm really in no way concerned given the boat's safety and passenger's safety have multiple collision protection features being employed. Being 'dead in the water' within the PNW San Juan islands during foggy conditions scares the sh****t out of me.

I've elected to have AIS 600 for our new 2018 R-27 (an upgrade from the stock AIS 300). Andrew tells me the AIS 600 can utilize internal separate antenna rather than sharing the VHF antenna. 🙂
 
Excellent upgrade and easy install. In the PNW (Puget Sound and the Salish Sea) this upgrade adds a significant margin of safety for relatively low cost.
 
Andrew Custis":stinmxes said:
The current AIS system is a Garmin AIS 300. If you want to upgrade to the 600, I believe you can put the antenna inside of the electronics cabinet instead of re routing the antenna to the cabin top which can be a bit of a chore. He will want to verify this with Garmin. Other than that, swap out the box and should be able to use the existing power connection.


Does anyone have their AIS antenna inside the boat as Andrew has suggested? If so, how well does it work?
 
I'm having the Factory install the AIS 600 on our new 2018 R-27 and Andrew has told me it will use an internal antenna and not be connected or shared with the stock VHF antenna. I'll know later (In August timeframe) how well it works. 😉 😱

To use Andrews words as best I recall concerning the AIS 600 antenna issue and sharing with the VHF... "we don't do that anymore... we use internal antenna which works better..."

So we shall see. 🙂

P.S.
Some Garmin warning info...

NOTICE
To prevent possible damage to your equipment, the VHF antenna must be connected to the AIS 600 before transmitting. This ensures that the power output to the antenna port dissipates properly when transmitting.

Electromagnetic Energy Exposure and Antenna Mounting
The AIS 600 generates and radiates radio frequency (RF) electromagnetic energy (EME). Failure to observe these guidelines may expose persons to RF radiation absorption exceeding the maximum permissible exposure (MPE).

Garmin declares an MPE radius of 59 in. (1.5 m.) for this system, which was determined using 2 watts output to an omni-directional 9 dBi gain antenna. The antenna should be installed such that a distance of 59 in. (1.5 m) is maintained between the antenna and all persons.

When sharing the VHF antenna with a VHF radio, refer to the documentation provided with the radio for additional MPE information speci c to the installed VHF radio.

WARNING:
Radio operators with cardiac pacemakers, life-support machines, or electrical medical equipment should not be exposed to excessive radio-frequency fields.

Safe Compass Distance
Ensure that you install the AIS 600 transceiver box at least 15 3/4 in. (40 cm) from any compass. Test your compass to verify that it operates correctly when the device is operating.
 
Thanks baz, that's very helpful. Wonder how the factory justifies an antenna inside the boat given the 59" perimeter specified by Garmin. Andrew, care to comment? And, can you specify what antenna you use for us diy'ers? Thanks in advance.
 
Boatagain":1tpi7oyk said:
Thanks baz, that's very helpful. Wonder how the factory justifies an antenna inside the boat given the 59" perimeter specified by Garmin. Andrew, care to comment? And, can you specify what antenna you use for us diy'ers? Thanks in advance.

I believe Andrew is referring to the GPS antenna that the AIS 600 requires. AIS transponders are required to have their own GPS source and can not use the same one as the chart plotter. The AIS 600 comes with a GPS antenna and cable.

Howard
 
Andrew is correct (as always). Mounting the GPS antenna internally works as advertised. Keep in mind your smartphone GPS works inside the boat and car just fine. Also, the installation recommended radius or distance from people can easily be accommodated on the R31 by mounting through the bedroom closet at the bottom shelf level and under the Garmin network system. We removed the shelving completely to mount the AIS unit. We also kept the AIS 300 unit as is and will likely reactivate when we upgrade to our next boat and take the AIS 600 with us as we will be keeping our boat name. Obviously will need to reprogram the AIS for new boat specs as well as edit our profile with the FCC.
 
Boatagain":192fd7os said:
Thanks baz, that's very helpful. Wonder how the factory justifies an antenna inside the boat given the 59" perimeter specified by Garmin. Andrew, care to comment? And, can you specify what antenna you use for us diy'ers? Thanks in advance.

It's unclear to me what portion/piece of the AIS 600 components need to be 59" away from persons ? Is it the actual AIS 600 box ?
 
Sorry if I confused anyone with my earlier post - I wasn't thinking straight and forgot that, as Howard said, the 600 requires two antennas. I suspect he is correct that Andrew must be referring to the GPS antenna, which only receives the satellite signal. That one is safe to mount anywhere as long as a good signal can be obtained - an inside the boat location works just fine. The second antenna is a VHF unit that not only receives but also transmits. It's that transmitted energy that is potentially harmful and requires the five foot spacing around the antenna for safety - outside of the boat is the obvious solution. The actual AIS box poses no danger and can be mounted anywhere it's convenient and dry, though Garmin recommends it be installed no less than 15 3/4" away form any compass to avoid interference between the two. Hope that helps.
 
Thanks Michael for clearing that aspect up for me. 🙂 Cheers....
 
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