Anchor dragging??? Cutwater 26 or 28

Cutwater28GG":3jk5bri0 said:
I would have gone with a Rocna 15 if I could I get it to fit on the cutwater bow roller. alas no dice.
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We upgraded to the Rocna 15 this year. It fits perfectly on the R25sc; I guess Cutwater uses a different bow roller setup.
Our boat came with the Rocna 6 and it always set and held fine in the short time we used it on the lake. Now that we are moving up to cruising the Alaska coast, we felt the 15 was better suited.
 
The Cutwater bow roller is through the hull and not over the gunwhale which limits the shape and size. some folks have had success adding a longer roller or at least moving the roller out; but thats more construction work than i want to entertain.
More rode scope basically does the same thing.
 
I put a Rocna 15 on my Ranger 27 (the old version). I had to replace the bail on the bow roller unit with a larger one to let the bail flip over and secure the Rocna shaft. I found a good fiting replacement at Westmarine, as a "boom bail".
 
YukonRon":1r5cvabb said:
Cutwater28GG":1r5cvabb said:
I would have gone with a Rocna 15 if I could I get it to fit on the cutwater bow roller. alas no dice.
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We upgraded to the Rocna 15 this year. It fits perfectly on the R25sc; I guess Cutwater uses a different bow roller setup.
Our boat came with the Rocna 6 and it always set and held fine in the short time we used it on the lake. Now that we are moving up to cruising the Alaska coast, we felt the 15 was better suited.
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I've had a Rocna 15 on our 25SC for a few years now. Great anchor, you will sleep better at night.
 
Has anyone tried the newer Vulcan model from Rocna? I was watching a YouTube video earlier and it indicated that it was designed to fit better on boats where the anchor goes through the front of the hull, like our Cutwaters, rather than hanging off the bow like Rangers. I'm getting ready to upgrade our factory installed claw, so I figured I would ask before making a final decision.
 
Yes I tried the Vulcan as well and it didn’t fit either at the 15 size
 
AS mentioned earlier in this posting, I installed a VULCAN 9 (20lb.) on my CW 28.last spring. Simply had to move the roller two inches further out the bracket. Had to use a cobalt drill bit as that stainless steel is tough stuff!

This arrangement works great and the anchor never once dragged on Lake Superior and Lake Michigan all last summer during our 3 month Great Lakes cruise.

Bill T.
 
Dan, thanks for bringing up chain. Yes, it is very important to your anchoring system, where the anchor style needs to meet the bottom encountered, it's the chain that helps make the anchor lay down after it's been set. Then there's scope... do I really need 5:1 or can I get by with less? Hmmm?

Bob
 
The Doghouse 2":2alk61jv said:
Dan, thanks for bringing up chain. Yes, it is very important to your anchoring system, where the anchor style needs to meet the bottom encountered, it's the chain that helps make the anchor lay down after it's been set. Then there's scope... do I really need 5:1 or can I get by with less? Hmmm?

Bob
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You’d be lucky in the PNW to find an anchorage with the luxury of allowing for a 5:1 scope. With the depths around here at high tide and adding the bow height we are often at more than 50 feet. 5:1 would use all the rode we have (50ft chain, 200 ft nylon). Also the anchorages are often tight and there would not be room to swing with that but rode. A bit more than 3:1 is all we typically use with our Rocna 15 and 50 ft of chin. We have never dragged with that setup. If a storm were a brewing I would go to 4:1 if I can.
 
For anyone still thinking about the rocna anchor, we just spent four nights on the hook in Blind Bay (Shaw Island) on our R27 Classic with our new Rocna 10 and Mantus swivel set-up. The first night, we anchored in 3 fathoms on a mud bottom with just enough scope to get beyond the 50 ft of chain and into the rode a few feet, so about 3 to 1. The anchor set immediately and didn't budge during 8 hours of steady 15 kts from the southeast with occasional gusts to 20. The next day we moved to 4 fathoms at about 3 to 1. Again the anchor set immediately and didn't budge overnight despite a 180 degree wind shift, nor the next morning when we let out a little more scope (approximately 4 to 1) as the wind rose to a steady 15 kts with frequent gusts to the mid- to high 20s lasting until mid-afternoon. Very impressed.
 
I have a Rocna 10 on a R-29. Had to get a longer bail to keep it from hanging up when brought back.
Rich Hurst
Feisty Too
 
I am contemplating a Vulcan 12 for my R29, does anyone have any experience with this one requiring any alterations? Thanks in advance!
 
I have the Rocna 10 for my R25 Classic. If I had a C28 or R29 I would probably have the Vulcan 12kg or the Rocna 15kg. I understand that’s on the heavy side of the Rocna sizing chart.
https://rocna.com/fitment-guide/
What’s the downside to being using a anchor on the high end of the sizing spectrum?
BTW, we’ve had rate issues setting the anchor but never dragging once set.
 
I tied the vulcan 12 on the 28 and it didnt fit the standard roller.

I tried the Rocna 15, Vulcan 12 and ended up with a Rocna 10. Its still massively better than the claw anchor that ships with the boat.

others have added a longer roller - its quite a bit of work and some have had success with the Mantus anchor holder keeping the point away from the hull
 
Heavier anchors with chain allow for less scope in tight anchorages. Presently a 35 lb Manson Surpreme, 100 feet 5/16 chain with 200 feet 5/8 plaited line My back up anchor is a Fortress 21 with no chain. I had one experience using the Fortress as a stern anchor in a grassy area with the wind against the tide the boat was jumping and the anchor pulled out. Water was about 8 to 10 deep, about 90 feet of line. Two issues here, one no chain, two, the line was 5/8” so very little elasticity caused the anchor to be jerked out with no weighted chain on the shank. My solution was to switch to 1/2” plaited line 200’ still no chain because it’s awkward to handle and now relying on extra scope to reduce the angle on the shank.
 
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I wasn't happy with a 16.5 lb. claw for cruising, although it's fine for a lunch hook.

I will be doing the loop next year, so I invested in a 35 lb. Mantus M2. It fits the bow sprit.
It may be overkill for you, but I'll sleep well at night in most weather conditions.

Chain, on recreational size boats like ours, is really only there for chafe protection; it doesn't change your scope calculation. It doesn't take much wind / current to straighten out 50 lbs. of chain. Adequate scope, anchor design and weight provide the real holding power.
I cut my 50' of chain in half to use the remainder for my now 16.5 lb. spare anchor. That also eliminated the coning problem in my R27 anchor locker.

Jeff Radwill
R27
 
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