Another First Time Boat Person Here!

huruta

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First time poster here...similar to another recent post, thinking about our first boat. We have never boated ourselves, but I love being on the water and dream of boating to Alaska from Seattle, where we live. Why?

We did a small boat cruise in 2017 from Sitka to Juneau with The Boat Company (10 rooms, 145 ft boat) that was simply a trip of a lifetime and we've travelled a lot, (are returned Peace Corps Volunteers, I work in Thailand/Ghana, etc.). The Boat Company trip was simply incredible (just a customer, no affiliation). The wildlife, the fishing (only small cruise in AK we found that is also a licensed fishing vessel), and the scenery was just spectacular. We have signed up to do it again for our 20th anniversary in 2023.

To do it ourselves from Seattle to Glacier Bay? Well, that would be a dream come true! Taking a class with NW Expeditions in Bellingham in April and have been salivating over Ranger Tugs. Went to the Boat Show and loved the R27 (I love to cook, and that oven….) and salivated more. Seems like an excellent fit for us 2 adults and 2 pups (not sure our 10 year old Boxer will adapt, but our 5 year old Boston Terrier is adaptable, especially if a lot of food/meat is involved).

We owned a 1985 vanagon with 285k miles for 5 years and currently have an overland vehicle with a pop-top camper (2015 Toyota Tacoma) that has worked well for us for 3-7 night excursions. Lessons learned from our compact “RV” experience is that we want the Tacoma of boats and not the Vanagon (loved the design, the reliability, well, it wasn’t). I should add we are not particularly handy, but have relied on outfits/shops that specialize to do modifications needed.

So first step boating goal (next 3-5 years) is to get our skills up and really explore the PNW by water (as a WA native, it really appeals to see our state another way). An OB with a bit more speed and more reach/flexibility appeals. We hope to ditch our full-time jobs in 3-5 years and go part time until our portfolio can support our lifestyle or we get sick of working…might come sooner than later!

Anyway, are there others for whom the R27 (or R25, R29) was your very first boat without a lot of experience? Doing it again, would you start here or start elsewhere? We are planning to charter a RT 27 or 29 (?) out of Anacortes this summer. Regardless it’s going to be hard to drop 200k+ on a new hobby that we don’t have much experience with. There are a lot of cruisers for a lot less, but the Vanagon (engine repair after repair) lingers in our minds and makes us think a newer boat (recognizing there will undoubtedly be other costs) would be a better fit.

Would love to hear what you all think!
 
Well, the oldest Ranger Tug is still on the younger side of boats which means if you buy ~10yo RT it is still considered a newer build. What's on your side with buying a pre-owned RT: a) quality 'swiss army knife' boat. RTs are well built solid multi-functional boats so it's hard to go wrong with a pre-owned RT, b) community support. You can always get invaluable advice and support from this forum which is not easily to come by these days, and c) abundance of parts and services, it's a local boat after all so a trip to parts department (in Kent) sets you up with all you need. If you buy pre-owned, get an experienced surveyor (search this forum for recommendations) and maybe start with a diesel engine. Speed is great but diesels will get you ~15-20kts which is a plenty around PNW. Sure, with an OB you can go from Anacortes to the northern part of Vancouver Island in a day but it is not a common pattern. RE: Alaska cruise - many people completed trips to Alaska in their 25/27 and are an inspiration to me so it's totally doable. And I'd definitely start with joining a local yacht club, this way you will learn very fast in a friendly environment surrounded by caring experienced people.
 
If you do one thing from all the advice you get, I suggest
...get an experienced surveyor...
And if you need to pass on more than one boat (incurring multiple surveyor charges), do it - it will be money well spent and you learn a lot. These boats are no different than any other well appointed boat in that they can deteriorate or be treated badly if not well cared for and used properly and cost you lots to fix in time and money. Look for a clean ship, see all systems work, and ... get a surveyor. HTH, Gary
 
You will never regret a R29 over a R27. The 2 ft is well worth the comfort and boat stability. I am bias, I don’t think outboards belong on this style boat. New or used, boats ALL need fixing. I have no idea how people do it that aren’t “fix it” people. It keeps costs down and you can fix things on the run and not have it ruin your day. Boats are for a unique breed of people. It is a big commitment of time and money. Many fix it things on newer boats might be minor and not cost much money, yet you really need to understand how the boat systems work. You want a reliable boat that does not strand you. If it doesn’t strand you, almost all problems are minor. Boats are a lot of FUN.
 
My R-27 is not my first boat, but it is my first Ranger Tug. My first boat was a twin engine 1991 Formula 29PC, and there was a steep learning curve. I bought a book and subscribed to Boating magazine to begin learning about boats and boat handling. Taking a boating safety course is also a good idea, and may be required in some areas.

Since you are interested in the R-27, I suggest watching some of the videos on YouTube channel "Let's go Channel Surfing".
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2KtMh ... 17nedTw-oA
They have many great videos on how they use, organize, and upgrade their boat.

I really wanted a classic R-29, but they are very hard to find in my area. I ended up ordering a new R-27 LE.
The "Channel Surfing" videos have been very helpful in preparing to take delivery of my R27.

If you want to save some money, the R-25 can have almost everything the R-27 has, except the propane stove. The R-23 is also very nice if you can live with the smaller space and split sink/shower/toilet arrangement of the head. Fuel tank size is also important if you want to do longer range cruising. The 150 gallon fuel tank in the R-27 was one of the deciding factors for me because I want to do the Great Loop in a few years when I retire.

Also, do not underestimate the yearly costs of owning a boat. It can easily be several thousand dollars per year for docking, storage, and maintenance.
 
Thank you all for your responses!

sRhawk – agree with the support that comes with RTs – it’s a selling point and will definitely get a surveyor if buying used; speed is a hard concept for us right now…we are both still full-time employed and while I don’t think we are speedy boaters (like quiet and to take it all in along the way), will what a diesel give us the weekend reach we desire to see new areas? Also, is the speed helpful to outrun weather if needed?

Gaylas – good point to not feel the need to buy even with a hired surveyor…do you all recommend two (1) engine surveyor and (2) boat surveyor or does 1 (knowledgeable) person work?

Mastercraft – R27 or R29 are what we currently would be a good fit. I don’t think we have a good concept of what the R27 versus R29 feels like in terms of stability – need to get on them in the water! The OB speed of the R27 seems like insurance (out run bad weather?), especially while we are still fully employed. But we don’t have a good sense of diesel speed sufficiency for our needs. Re: handy…well I’ve become a lot more humble owning an overland rig….there’s a lot that looks easy on youtube and well, we just can’t make it happen without skilled expertise. I’m not afraid to try – just worried I’m more conceptual than practical…. maybe our biggest concern re: boating.

Mark – Yes! I’ve been watching lots of the channel surfing videos and they have been super interesting and helpful. Taking a 3-day power boating course in April and am so excited to get on the water! Agree the bigger fuel tank on R27 is a draw. Husband is also 6’3” so the extra space would probably work well. Yeah, figuring in the costs of moorage & maintenance into the equation.
 
Mark_H":div6ravg said:
If you want to save some money, the R-25 can have almost everything the R-27 has, except the propane stove. The R-23 is also very nice if you can live with the smaller space and split sink/shower/toilet arrangement of the head. Fuel tank size is also important if you want to do longer range cruising. The 150 gallon fuel tank in the R-27 was one of the deciding factors for me because I want to do the Great Loop in a few years when I retire.

Also, don't forget the size of the SAN tank. The RT27-OB has a 30 gallon SAN tank. The R29 has a 40 gallon SAN tank. The R23 is 11 gallons, the R25 is 14 gallons. This is the difference between a weekend and a week long trip between SAN pump-out's.

The size of the freshwater tank would also be another factor to consider. But one can be very conservative on their water usage. SAN usage, not so much.
 
huruta":2arm7dd5 said:
Thank you all for your responses!

Mark – Yes! I’ve been watching lots of the channel surfing videos and they have been super interesting and helpful. Taking a 3-day power boating course in April and am so excited to get on the water! Agree the bigger fuel tank on R27 is a draw. Husband is also 6’3” so the extra space would probably work well. Yeah, figuring in the costs of moorage & maintenance into the equation.

In this video, I go over a lot of the costs to expect from owning a boat.
Moorage, maintenance, insurance, cleaning costs, things that break...

For the summary of costs, start at 30:00 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/OIsAnQ3_kFA?t=1798
 
Submariner! Good point with the SAN tank - we don't have those on our overland vehicle. We can stretch 10g fresh water to 4 days without a shower (wipes, rivers, oceans fill that gap - we are not that nasty!), but I expect needs on a boat would be different and can appreciate the extra water/SAN benefits, at least conceptually based on our mountain experiences. Will definitely check out the costs - the cost of boating period and our late start to retirement saving has been one of the reasons for delayed entry to the boating so we want to make sure we know what we are in for....like our truck, I suspect there's always something! Thank you!
 
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