Backup navigation on iPad?

Zundels

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We need a backup system for the Garmin 5212 and see that the previous links on the topic are over a year old. If you were to purchase today, any recommendations for an external GPS to add to the connector on the bottom of the iPad (I don't have the 3G version)?

With apps changing so fast, your favorite nautical app?

Do you gain signal strength if the GPS is outside the cabin?

Sounds like a holiday gift for the R25....

Happy Holidays, Don
 
Hi Don - your iPad has GPS built in. Units with 3G antennas utilize them for what Apple call assisted-GPS, supplementing the GPS data with antenna triangulation. But your unit should work fine with any location-aware application.

We use the West Coast version of Charts & Tides by Navimatics ($20), which includes Alaska, but not BC. It's a full-featured navigation app with all NOAA chart data built in. One of favorite features is the Active Captain data which is built in and updated according to your preferences. It makes the app a location-aware cruising guide, with information about facilities, hazards, anchorages, etc. provided by boaters.

Because all the data is downloaded and resident on your device, you only need wi-fi for updates. If you also have an iPhone, it will run on that as well. Highly recommended.

Cheers,

Bruce
 
Actually, not correct. The Wi-Fi only models of the iPad 2 do NOT have a built-n GPS chip. They are still able to determine your location fairly well when in Wi-Fi-rich areas, but out on the water this will be useless. As Zundels indicates, he has a Wi-Fi only model.

I have heard good things from several people about the Bad Elf GPS receiver.

http://gps.about.com/b/2011/03/20/apple-ipad-2-gps-quick-guide-and-capabilities.htm
 
My mistake - ozoner has it right. We use a 3G iPad on our boat, without a 3G contract, and it works, but it has the chip. But the Apple specs clearly show the Wi-Fi model lacks the A-GPS chip.

ozoner's recommendation looks good - amazon users rate the Bad Elf highly.

Sorry for any confusion.

Cheers
 
Bruce,

So you have the 3G model but no contract and can use GPS software out on the water away from wifi? If that is the case and I buy a new iPad, I could save adding a GPS if I bought it built in. WIth no phone contract and being able to receive a GPS signal this sounds like the way to go. I see in the 3G specifications it says this iPad comes with assisted GPS.

We are ready to buy a new version, the 3G version cost is about what an external would cost to install. And if ever needed we could buy then pay for a phone contract too.

Thanks, Don
 
There has been some confusion about this since the first iPad came out. Only the 3G model has a built-in GPS chip, NOT the wifi only model. I think the "assisted" GPS throws a lot of people; that only means that any triangulation from cell towers or info from wifi will allow the GPS to acquire the signal faster or perhaps tweak the accuracy. (The iPad acquires a GPS signal faster than either the Raymarie or Garmin chartplotters we have onboard.) We bought an original iPad not long after they first came out - 3G model and have never connected to AT&T with it (that was the only cell provider option at the time, until the iPad 2). Verizon confused matters somewhat by offering an iPad (wifi only) bundled with their Mifi card.

The 3G iPads (both original and 2) are a great backup nav platform on the boat, and can be used for many other things (e-mail, web use, SKYPE, photo storage, music player, all the great apps available, and more). You do not have to have a cell connection for the GPS to work, but depending on which nav app you use, you may have to load or cache maps when you do have a connection or wifi available. The iPad is great for route planning. The charting with the Navionics app is similar to the Raymarine chartplotter on our boat; the only drawback we've come up with is the fact that it is always "north up". Not a big deal; we have two chartplotters on our boat and keep one on course up, the other on north up. It's nice for the co-pilot to have the iPad to follow along. Check tides and currents. Use an AIS app. BTW, the Navimatics app does allow for course up, but we have been using the Navionics (first one released, very similar to what we are used to on our main chartplotter).

Because of the iPad, I don't see us buying more paper charts in the future. In the past, we have always been "chartplotter AND paper charts to follow along"... we have DVDs of all the charts for the areas we travel; those on the laptop become the backup for the backup for the backup. We will still use paper cruising guides. There are flight crews using iPads in the cockpit instead of carrying around a heavy case of Jepps charts. And, it has a battery source separate from the boat electrical system.

Two other things to deal with when using an iPad on the boat: how to keep it where you want, how to deal with the marine environment. Most of the time, we use our iPad handheld; we also have a stand for it that could be attached to the dash with velcro or clips. There are waterproof cases available for the iPad; we carry a one gallon plastic bag... cheap, and you can still use all the functions on the iPad. May not be as much of an issue with the Rangers, but we have an opening center window on Wild Blue.

From my perspective, the iPad is a game changer... the screen is big enough to be a functional chartplotter; plenty of very reasonably priced nav apps with free updates; you can carry it to the cockpit to plan tomorrow's route and then check your e-mail or listen to some tunes (connect it up with a JawBone bluetooth jambox for impressive sound); write and download photos; read USA Today (when you have a connection); watch a video, etc, etc. For the price of two or three chart chips for a dedicated chartplotter, you can buy a 3G iPad with plenty of memory. We bought the 32 gig 3G model and have found it to be very adequate for our needs (a year and a half of owning it, and we still have 3/4 of the memory available).

I'm not saying the iPad is an essential device on the boat. When we're out daytripping, we rarely take it. If we're overnighting or cruising, it is aboard and getting plenty of use. At this point, I wouldn't rely on it as my ONLY nav gear in the boat, but it makes a fine backup. When pulling into a marina in a place we haven't been before, I will check to see if any photos are available on my chartplotter with the Navionics Platinum charts... I thought that was an amazing feature when we bought the Raymarine E-Series. With an iPad and a connection, you can use Google Earth. 😎 The more we use it, the more uses we find for it.

We used to connect with a Verizon Mifi card, but we dropped that when I upgraded to a Droid Bionic and use that as a hotspot.

If you haven't played with an iPad, swing by a Best Buy (or an Apple Store if you have one nearby); even Target and Wal-Mart sell 'em now.

My dear ol' Mother was 90 when she passed this year; the most NON-technical person you could imagine (if her TV got set off channel 3 to work with her cable box, she was lost). I handed her an iPad last year with the book I wrote on there as an eBook. I showed her how to "flip" the page, and she was off and reading. She was surprised when the formatting changed as she moved it from horizontal to vertical. And stunned when I told her that one little device would hold hundreds of books (she was an avid reader). Not meaning to drift OT here, just mentioning how easy and intuitive these things are.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Don,

I use the Dual Electronics XGPS150 bluetooth GPS with my WiFi only iPad. It works great and with the Bluetooth connection nothing is plugged into the iPad. I also have a dual output USB charger that plugs into the 12V power socket. One USB port is high power for the iPad, the second is standard and I use it with the GPS.
I have both iNavX and Navimatics Charts&Tides US East installed on the iPad.
iNavX uses NOAA raster marine charts. You can select and download the desired charts into memory while WiFi connected. You can optionally purchase Niavionics charts.
The Navimatics app uses NOAA vector charts and has an ActiveCaptain layer.

Howard
 
Good discussion.

I have my iPad 2 on board all the time on our R25SC and use it actually as the primary chart! We have a non-touch-screen Navmarine 120C and I prefer the touch screen for zooming in and out and prefer to have it at eye level rather than the knee-level Navmarine. I use the Navionics charts and love them. After a while, I have gotten in the habit of using the iPad for large scale and the Navmarine for small scale (less detail). I plug the iPad into the cigarette lighter socket.

I have the iPad2 ATT 3G/wifi and almost never use the 3G but it is nice to have when out of wifi areas, something rarer and rarer. Remember you don't have a contract with iPad, you only go month-to-month for 3G service, activating and deactivating it when you want directly from the iPad. Then of course, when at anchor or dock, there is Pandora for music, there are movies, email and the web. I use Verizon for all else but ATT for iPad since it is a little less expensive at $14.99 per month.

There is really nothing that compares to the versatility of the iPad. Now if only we could get an app that would make our cafe lattes.

Allan on Stout
 
One small addendum about that $14.99 price: that's for 250 mb of data. I would go through that in a single evening, uploading a few photos and surfing my way through my favorite sites or listening to Pandora. 2 mg of data is $25 from AT&T.
 
So you have the 3G model but no contract and can use GPS software out on the water away from wifi? If that is the case and I buy a new iPad, I could save adding a GPS if I bought it built in. WIth no phone contract and being able to receive a GPS signal this sounds like the way to go. I see in the 3G specifications it says this iPad comes with assisted GPS.

Yes. As discussed here by others, the GPS functions without 3G or wifi. And, as Allan pointed out, no contract is required to access data on a month-to-month basis, should you choose.

We currently use a Verizon 4G mobile hotspot - very fast and expansive network on the Puget Sound - for our onboard data needs, supplemented by our iPhones which use AT&Ts 3G network. Between them, we've yet to be without good internet access.

Cheers,

Bruce
 
Zundels":1kuchvq5 said:
So you have the 3G model but no contract and can use GPS software out on the water away from wifi? If that is the case and I buy a new iPad, I could save adding a GPS if I bought it built in. WIth no phone contract and being able to receive a GPS signal this sounds like the way to go. I see in the 3G specifications it says this iPad comes with assisted GPS.
We are ready to buy a new version, the 3G version cost is about what an external would cost to install. And if ever needed we could buy then pay for a phone contract too.

Essentially correct, except that it's a data rather than a phone contract, and it's not even a contract really.
You pay either $14.99 for 250mb or (a much better deal) $25.00 for 2GB, either of which lasts 30 days.
You purchase it from the iPad using your Apple account and the only catch is that it will renew when the 30 days are up unless you cancel it (again from the iPad).

You can actually make free calls from the iPad using the 'Magic Jack' app. Nobody believes that when I tell them, so check it out yourself: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/free-calls-with-magicjack/id463926997?mt=8

I use the 'iSailor' navigation app, which is very full featured and free, you just pay a nominal amount (about $10- $15)for the charts of your area.

Details here: http://isailor.us/isailor/index.htm

P.S. The GPS chip in the iPad is much more efficient than the one in the iPhone.

P.P.S. 3G iPad-1s, both new and refurbished, are still available at substantial savings if you hunt around.
We bought our 64GB one for $399 new from AT&T a while back.
 
This thread on "backup navigation on iPad" has had very informative contributions from our fellow Tugnuts members who are willing to share and educated with their knowledge, thanks for sharing .......this is what makes our group one of the best boating forums.

A question I have about the Navionics GPS charting is: When the Navionics app is activated on an iPad 2 can the mapping function be set up so the charts move automatically as you're cruising? Up to this point I have been having to move the screen manually, and that is not a problem but somehow I'm thinking it should work like our Garmin GPS chart screen. Is this just a dream on my part or am I missing something in a setting?

Jim F
 
Hi Jim,

Press the little "GPS" icon at the lower left part of the sceen - when it is highlighted, it centers you on the screen and follows. If you move the screen or do anything else with the program, you need to press that again to center and follow. If you're using the iPhone version, the icon is a little blue arrow - same thing: press it and the screen will move with you.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Consider Navimatics Charts&Tides ($20) for the iPad from navimatics.com. The great thing about this electronic chart is that is integrates ActiveCaptain data for hazards, marina information and ratings, etc. I prop the iPad up above the Garmin so I can see where I am on the iPad in relation to anchorages, hazards, restaurants and marinas and by just touching each I can get reviews by other users. The anchorages, alone, are worth the program in order to access ActiveCaptain information.

Tide apps are also available. A very cool thing is ShipFinder from pinkfroot.com which has a version that is free. It charts all nearby boats and classifies them as cargo, dredger, military, pleasure, etc. and plots them in real time on a chart. You can get attachments for your Garmin to do this for a bunch of money. My favorite things are the weather applications. To use the Garmin to get weather radar you have to also spend money for an adapter/antenna for your Garmin to get XM radio and then pay a subscription to XM forever. Instead, just get NOAA Hi-Def Radar App which will locate your position and show you weather radar for your area in real time on the iPad. The radar is in real time and proved useful when an unexpected storm hit me on the anchor off a key in the middle of nowhere in the Florida Keys.

The iPad is amazing for navigation and saved my butt when my Garmin quit (Garmin had to replace the main unit).

Don't forget to have a program for your iPhone, too. That will give you a third back up. ActiveCaptain has produced a very cool app for the iPhone (its free) call DragQueen. Download it from the app store and you can set an anchor radius and the iPhone will buzz if you exceed that. You can carry the iPhone up to the bow and when you drop the anchor click the "set" button for a real accurate location read. You don't have to leave the Garmin on all night this way, just plug in the iPhone to keep it charged off the 12v system.

Then, read a book on the iPad or the NY Times. I love that gadget.
 
I have an Android Phone with Navionics Charts where I can use my phone as a Backup... Works very well..

Believe it is available for I Pad via I Tunes...

Wilkie
 
I downloaded (iTunes) the new Jeppesen (A Boeing Co.) Plan2Nav system for the iPad that was being shown at the boat show. I suspect it will give the other nav systems a run for their money. It has a great user's guide that is available for download on their web site.

At this rate we are going to need a dedicated iPad for all of our Ranger stuff---Pretty Cool
 
While looking for information on Plan2Nav (missed it at the boat show) I ran across this site.

i-Marine Apps

Nice collection of reviews. They rate Plan2Nav highly.


Cheers,

Bruce
 
I know that Garmin is the accepted system, but Raymarine has a new setup in their E and C MFD that works with Bluetooth.
It interacts with an I pod and can be used as a possible backup.
 
I have loaded the Navimatics charts on my Ipad2 and am very pleased. However, when I try to use the the Active Captain
Info markers I get no response. Is this because the the IPad doesn't use flash? I cannot access THE CRUISING GUIDE when I am in the Active Captain site. Ideas?
 
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