Boat choices RT, Camano, .....

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I have narrowed my search down to small cruisers to include, C-Dory, Ranger Tug, Camano, Rosborough. I am looking for more of a cruiser than fisher. Although maybe a few times when the salmon are running I might try to catch one or two. Family of three. Looking at the 25', 27' or Camano. I am leaning more towards a faster cruise because I'd like to cover more ground in Portland from one stop to the next. Those of you that have RT how has your experience been with build quality, after purchase support? I am looking to potentially purchase new or lightly used if smaller. I have decided that I am too busy to chase problems and would rather enjoy being on the water opposed to fixing.
 
As the owner of a used R31, I would say their customer service is extraordinarily good.
 
Some of the names you mentioned are rather different from one another regarding finishes handling etc. How do you plan on using the boat for a family of three? The R-25 & R-27, IMO, if sleeping on board for a period of time will be tight. An R-29 would be better for longer stays on the boat for three people. You did not mention the C-dory size. If you are thinking 22, forget it. The Rosborough will be tight also. I do not have any experience with the Camano. If you are looking for a great community with tons of knowledge go with Ranger or Cutwater and buy what works within your pocketbook. As far as repairs etc. goes, you are buying a boat. No mater the age you will always have to take care of something. Before buying, even if new, get a survey!!
 
Of the boats you named, the Camano is the only one that is not trailerable. The 10 ft 6 inch beam means they must be professionally moved over land. The extra beam makes it roomy and stable, but if you plan on trailering that rules it out. The Ranger Tug 29 and 31 are also wide beam boats, but at 10 ft, are trailerable with an oversize load permit.
 
Ideally speaking since the primary function will be to transport clients around Portland I'd like it to be fast enough to get from one side of Portland to the other side in a reasonable amount of time. In addition, trailerable - although this means I need a new truck as the current truck has a max payload of 7k. Maybe I won't trailer that boat. Must have a stand up head, I can not be out in the water w/ clients or myself. I'd also like to keep the budget under 150k. Not that I can't spend more but I'd like to pick up a boat house too. Somewhere to bring clients and then leave from there.
 
All of the Ranger Tugs have nice stand-up heads. Only the newer outboard models will have speeds over about 15 knots. The inboards are however, very stable comfortable boats.
 
What are the speeds of inboards on the 25', 27', 29' vs outboard powered boats? Any one have a breakdown?
 
On our 2012 R29 we routinely cruise between 12 and 15 knots. We have been able to get to 18 knots in calm seas with no current, but that's at wide open throttle and not recommended for prolonged periods. We also often cruise at 6 to 8 knots, and unlike planing hull boats I've driven, its handling characteristics remained the same. Most planing hulls will wallow as they approach planing speeds.
 
bshillam":3dh4zxa2 said:
What are the speeds of inboards on the 25', 27', 29' vs outboard powered boats? Any one have a breakdown?
In a word, the 25 & 27 OB boats will blow the doors off their diesel inboard counterparts by a factor of at least two. The top-end speed of my 180hp 2012 R27 at WOT is 20mph. From what I read, that’s loafing for a 27OB.
 
I agree with the comment these boats are different boats.

By the way the Camano is now built and sold as the Helmsman 31. Look it up. Helmsman bought the molds when Camano ended its run. The hull and exterior are the same. The interior was completely redesigned and is massively better. The used Camano's I have seen listed are pretty old and pretty spartan, and in pretty rough shape, and I doubt they would be comfortable for 3, but you can find old ones for $100k. Many are powered to do 15 knots. Helmsman will put whatever engine you want in them, so long as it fits, but will all but refuse to power one with more than enough to barely touch 15 knots. Because the hull form allows it to be really good up to 15, but becomes unstable beyond 15. I've seen some used Helmsmans at around $200k. New ones equipped will be pretty much equal to a R31 new (low to mid $300's). Its a semi-custom build, so you will find each one that hits the market to be slightly different on the interior or engine choice. And different electronics packages because buyers can spec whatever they want.

And no, you cannot trailer these.
 
If you want inboard but a little more speed than RT, then Cutwater is another choice (and very, very similar to RT29, just a downeast rather than "tug" look). Our C30 does 16-18 in cruise (about 80% power) and around 25 knots WOT (and more comfortably 20 knots at 90%).
 
I have been boating in the Portland area (both Columbia and Willamette Rivers) since 2013. My first Ranger Tug was a 27 with the Volvo inboard. I now have a R31 with a larger Volvo inboard. On both boats, my WOT speed has been upwards of 22 knots or more, depending on current and wind at the time. Likewise, my cruise speed has been a comfortable 12 to 15 knots, again depending on current and wind (both of which can be formidable in the area).

One big caution: speed in these waters is not just a function of your boat’s power through the water, but is a function of safety. Many times a year, the waters around here a full of hazards. In all but the driest of the summer months, boaters need to be on the watch for logs, branches and similar debris that wash off the banks of the rivers and head west to the mouth of the Columbia. If you are lucky, you will see the logs or other debris floating at the surface. If you are less lucky, they are water-logged and floating below the surface.

If you hit that stuff, you will fare much better if you are going slow. I participate in the Christmas Ships parade throughout December on both rivers. Log and other debris is a big concern. I have hit some logs and other debris more than once. But I have always been going 5 knots or less. Later haul outs (for bottom paint) have confirmed that I incurred zero damage. I chalk up good fortune to the combination of (1) slow speed and (2) the stout construction and protective keel of the Ranger Tugs.

By way of contrast, a friend hit a submerged log on the Columbia in August when he was going about 11 knots in his yacht.. He describes his yacht (and it is a yacht, not a boat) as “totaled.” But it wasn’t really totaled. It incurred about $100,000 worth of running gear damage that is all being currently repaired. It was totaled in the sense that he has been embroiled in insurance disputes and a seemingly endless process of getting it repaired. So it feels totaled to him because he has lost his use of his boat for the last many months and doesn’t know when it will be usable again.

My point is this: in the waters you want to boat in, be very cautious about your cruising speed. Just because a boat can go fast doesn’t mean it should. In perfect conditions (summer, no recent run off), you will see high speed boats everywhere on both rivers. But talk to the tow and salvage operators, and you will learn that those boats don’t always fare well, even in those seemingly ideal conditions. Potential hazards are still there, and can rise up to bite. During the off and shoulder seasons, the hazards are much more prevalent, and caution is the word of every boating day. Don’t assume you can or should go at your fastest cruising speed. I cover a fair amount of water on both the Columbia and the Willamette rivers, and as a rule, I have little desire to go faster than 15 knots, and often prefer going much slower.

For what all that is worth.

Gini
 
Based on your requirements of speed, a standup head, number of people I’d say the R27 OB would fit your needs best. The 27 OB has been around a few years now so if you don’t buy new there should be used show up for sale from time to time but you should be prepared to act quickly, as demand is exceeding supply.

Jim F
 
Gin":1x1tf4zw said:
I have been boating in the Portland area (both Columbia and Willamette Rivers) since 2013. My first Ranger Tug was a 27 with the Volvo inboard. I now have a R31 with a larger Volvo inboard. On both boats, my WOT speed has been upwards of 22 knots or more, depending on current and wind at the time. Likewise, my cruise speed has been a comfortable 12 to 15 knots, again depending on current and wind (both of which can be formidable in the area).

One big caution: speed in these waters is not just a function of your boat’s power through the water, but is a function of safety. Many times a year, the waters around here a full of hazards. In all but the driest of the summer months, boaters need to be on the watch for logs, branches and similar debris that wash off the banks of the rivers and head west to the mouth of the Columbia. If you are lucky, you will see the logs or other debris floating at the surface. If you are less lucky, they are water-logged and floating below the surface.

If you hit that stuff, you will fare much better if you are going slow. I participate in the Christmas Ships parade throughout December on both rivers. Log and other debris is a big concern. I have hit some logs and other debris more than once. But I have always been going 5 knots or less. Later haul outs (for bottom paint) have confirmed that I incurred zero damage. I chalk up good fortune to the combination of (1) slow speed and (2) the stout construction and protective keel of the Ranger Tugs.

By way of contrast, a friend hit a submerged log on the Columbia in August when he was going about 11 knots in his yacht.. He describes his yacht (and it is a yacht, not a boat) as “totaled.” But it wasn’t really totaled. It incurred about $100,000 worth of running gear damage that is all being currently repaired. It was totaled in the sense that he has been embroiled in insurance disputes and a seemingly endless process of getting it repaired. So it feels totaled to him because he has lost his use of his boat for the last many months and doesn’t know when it will be usable again.

My point is this: in the waters you want to boat in, be very cautious about your cruising speed. Just because a boat can go fast doesn’t mean it should. In perfect conditions (summer, no recent run off), you will see high speed boats everywhere on both rivers. But talk to the tow and salvage operators, and you will learn that those boats don’t always fare well, even in those seemingly ideal conditions. Potential hazards are still there, and can rise up to bite. During the off and shoulder seasons, the hazards are much more prevalent, and caution is the word of every boating day. Don’t assume you can or should go at your fastest cruising speed. I cover a fair amount of water on both the Columbia and the Willamette rivers, and as a rule, I have little desire to go faster than 15 knots, and often prefer going much slower.

For what all that is worth.

Gini

All true, I have been boating in Portland since 2008 and often find myself enjoying what appears to be less than hull speed. It's easier to enjoy eating, socializing, watching the homes/marinas/boats when we are going slow. Having both though is going to be important to me. I have been very satisfied with 12-15 knots but relish the idea of cruising faster. It might just be more of a thought than reality for me.
I'd like the boat to serve both locally and up in the San Juans where we can cover greater distances. I don't think I can go wrong w/ inboard or OB. I do like some of the more recent features of the newer models. I guess the next step is to find both on the water here in Portland and see which suits me better.
 
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