Boat Electrical Seminars

CaptMac

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Yesterday, while visiting the Edmonds Marina, I saw a poster advertising a seminar presented by Dick Troberg. The topic is " Electrical Wiring Seminar" and covers: Batteries, Charging Systems, sizing wires, selecting marine components, corrosion protection systems, and ABYC wiring standards. Cost $30. Dick is the "guru" we've hired previously to solve electrical issues on Island Ranger and at our Marina here at Sandy Hook. He was great.

This seminar is being held Nov 7 & 8 from 6:30pm-9:30pm - but it is already fully booked (limited to 10 attendees). I called Edmonds Marina Operations, 425 775 4588 and learned they already have 4 names (now 5 including me!) on the waiting list. If they get enough names, they plan to hold another class. I also learned they just held a class on corrosion - I sure wish I could have attended that one.-

If you are interested, you may want to call them and get on the waiting list to be called the next time a class is offered......

Mac
 
Hi Mac,
I signed up for the seminar yet to be scheduled. Thanks for the heads up. I think all should take part, there is nothing more troublesome on a boat than electrical.
All the best,
Bob
 
Thanks Mac... I will sign up, and thanks for the reminder as I did read about this class in the Edmonds newsletter I get each month with my moorage invoice... :lol: but simply had forgotten about it.
 
I asked about this seminar today and with my name on the waiting list we now have 10 people wanting the class beyond the first 10 people. I asked about when we might know if a 2nd class will be held and they said it looks good since there are now 10 more people interested. Keep fingers crossed... 🙂
 
Well I have lucked out...

Received a Tel call from Port Of Edmonds saying a spot had opened up for the class tonight and tomorrow... 6pm-9pm each evening. I replied sure I can make it, but what about the others on the waiting list in front of my position ? I was told they had contacted Capt. Mac and another person but neither could make it tonight because of such a short notice. Soooo, I get to go, and they will simply invoice me on my monthly moorage bill. 🙂

I will take good notes and post back my review of the class... and it does sound very informative and full of useful handouts and reference materials.

I did ask about a 2nd class as there are some 13 more names on the waiting list. I was told if a 2nd class was to be offered it would not be until next Spring sometime.

Thanks Mac... 😉
 
Hi Barry,
They called me too and I said I couldn't make it so I told them to call you, enjoy.
Bob
 
Nellie Too":44gfkg8s said:
Hi Barry,
They called me too and I said I couldn't make it so I told them to call you, enjoy.
Bob

Thanks Bob. 🙂
 
Well... last night was the end of the 7 hour Basic Marine Wiring class (spread over two evenings) hosted by Port Of Edmonds and presented by Dick Troberg.

It was an excellent class too be sure. Full of great information and interesting anecdotal stories given by Dick along the way.

Here are a few one liners taken from Dick's presentations...

1. The cost of the wiring in a new boat is around 1% of the boat's price!
2. 60% of boat incidences/accidents are caused by electrical failures.
3. 90% of electrical problems are caused by corrosion.
4. Of the many things to avoid, one was to avoid using automotive fuses with aluminum blades (our Ranger Tugs use these!!!)
5. Solid wires should NEVER be used.
6. 60% of all West Marine batteries sold are returned during their warranty period!!!!!! There are are lot of "battery killers" out there.
7. A well cared for battery should last 14 years -- well beyond the warranty period.
8. It's possible to make an electrical connection that will last for 30 years (under water).
9. A Digital Multimeter should be part of a boater's toolkit.
10. A small can of KOPR-SHIELD should be part of the toolkit - see http://www.tnb.com/ps/con/msds.cgi?action=tiff2pdf&f=/shared/msds/msds-0025-tb2.tif and http://www.google.com/search?client...,cf.osb&fp=15c021a1e7fc6c32&biw=1059&bih=1076

One of the subjects covered was "Loss of Protection Current through Shore Ground". Galvanic isolators can prevent loss of zinc current through the show ground. Using an Amp Clamp it's quite easy to determine any unwanted stray current. This is done simply by using the Amp Clamp on the shore power line. If current flowing into the boat is same as current flowing out then the Amp Clamp reading should be zero (0.00). If it's not then splitting the shore line into its three (3) wires allows the stray current to be detected. Given this, today I used a free service offered by my Port Of Edmonds to perform the Amp Clamp test for my boat which is moored at this marina.

The Amp Clamp used on my shore line with breaker on was displaying 0.02 to 0.03 amps. Hmmmm, as it should be zero, just what was causing this... and the answer is far from easy.

Inserting a line splitter between the show power connection and my shore line allowed the Amp Clamp to be used on each of the three wires; Black, White and Green. With the Dockside shore power breaker OFF the Black=0.00, the White=0.00 and the Green=0.03. Withe the Dockside shore power breaker ON the Black=2.5, the White=2.5 and the Green=0.03. The 2.5 slowly decreased.

I had the Frig, a humidifier and battery charger active on the boat so that accounted for the 2.5 amps and the decreasing amperage as the battery charger and/or frig quite likely cycle.

We took the Amp Clamp to shore power lines for several boats on either side of my slip and one across from me. Most read 0.00 but one immediately next to me was treading 0.02.

Well, no good answer was apparent for the Green(ground) 0.02 to 0.03 amps for my boat, BUT the very low amperage of 3/100 of an amp really was not too much to worry about (at least this is what I've been told). I'm also told that some boaters actually disconnect the shore power ground line at the boat to eliminate this current flow... dangerous IMO.

We had several hands-on exercises which were fun; wire butt joining, shrink wrapping, shrink wrapped labels, terminal installation and using Digital Multimeter to create a 9v circuit to lit up a LED. Dick supplied all the materials and tools for the job.

Port Of Edmonds & Dick Troberg will be offering this class again in the Feb/Mar 2012 timeframe along with Dick's Corrosion class.

This was an excellent use of 7 hours. 🙂

Some pics below...

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Shrink wrapped label

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Shrink wrapped butt joint

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Glue inside shrink tubing

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Terminal connector

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Misc notes etc

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Amp Clamp

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Shore line splitter

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With the Amp Clamp around the complete yellow shore line the reading should be 0.00. For my Ground line it showed 0.03 amps for my boat -- so where was this coming from ?

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My boat's Battery charger+Frig+Dehumidifier current draw
 
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