Boat Swap?

Hydraulicjump

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Tugnuts,

Here is an idea only in its infancy and probably flawed, but the beauty of this forum is that you can explore these kinds of things without…well…shame.

Our R-27 is in a world-class tourist location, on the waterfront in San Francisco at Pier 39/Fisherman’s Wharf and within easy cruising distance to the 500+ miles of channels in the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta (and a month of slip fees is less than one night in a hotel these days!). Yet other tugs are in equally amazing places: Los Angeles, Portland, Puget Sound, Vancouver, Cape Cod, Chesapeake Bay, North and South Carolina, Florida Keys, Florida Gulf Coast, etc. We are spread out in a lot of different, wonderful locations (apologies to those I left out): places that most of us adventurous Tug owners would like to see someday. Except for the hardy few of us who are retired and/or have the willingness to tow long distances we don’t get to diversify our cruising and will probably never see these great places in a great boat like ours.

Here’s a thought. What if we developed a new category in the Tugnut site for boat swaps? That is, people who want to trade time on each other’s boat. Here’s how it might work. One of us posts up and says that he would love to spend a week in springtime on the Chesapeake Bay on an R-27 and would offer a week in San Francisco (dates flexible) on his R-27 in exchange. No money changes hands, no contracts, nothing but friends swapping boats to get the experience to cruise somewhere else. The only obligation is to leave the boat cleaner than you found it, pumped out and full of fuel with all fluids topped up. Each boat owner would have sage advice about cruising in their own territory and, of course, be as far away as a cell call if anything came up. There could even be complex boat swaps involving more than two parties to make this work.

I say all this because, frankly, the only person I would ever consider lending my boat to is someone who owns a boat like mine, knows the systems, knows the idiosyncrasies (especially when docking), can typically solve problems when they arise, and come from the same boat culture. I am willing to bet that we are all fussy about our boats. Thus I have never loaned mine to a friend, even the experienced captains.

According to my insurance, the boat is covered when I lend it to a friend.

This post is to just ask whether this is a good idea (and to flush out if it’s a bad idea), and whether there might be some people interested. I am in no hurry here, just stewing on what might—or might not—be a novel idea.

And Happy Holidays to you all!!!

Jeff
 
In theory, I like the idea. BUT! I don't feel comfortable loaning my boat out. I would like to take the dude out and see if he (or she) knows what they are doing. I might want a deposit of my deductible as well. It would be neat to do some boating in other places though.
 
A good idea, but handshakes are great until there is an issue. So with that said, I would want an agreement covering damage to my boat and someone else's and I would want to look into my insurance coverage to make sure I had appropriate coverage for this application. Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I
know there is a similar program with vacation home swaps. Maybe modeling something after that will save a lot of research.
 
But you don't have to dock a vacation home, or travel in not so great conditions.
 
I saw this site in a news article a few months ago, and their renter vetting process MAY work for you. Check out the Help or FAQ section to see how they process both renters and owners.

Boatbound

I really don't think I would ever rent out our boat, but if we did, it would have to be a process similar to this.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!
 
Over the years we have chartered various sailboats. I have found a large window of what is considered acceptable operational condition and what is not. Trading boats (like trading houses) can be a great experience or can be a nightmare. As in any great idea - the “Devil is in the details”. Considering all the “what if’s” - I am not willing to take the chance. We in-fact had given up on boating due to the rarity of charter boats being available in these different areas, and the high cost of charter if one was available. Then I ran across Ranger Tug – the perfect solution for us – a trailerable boat that we can live aboard for a few weeks at a time. Wanting to experience all these areas of this country is the reason we left sailing behind and purchased a trailerable R25. We are really excited to be retiring soon and trailering this boat to the various locations to experience all that we have read and heard about. For us - trailering is a better solution than charter or trading boats.
Merry Christmas Everyone!!
 
Here is my thought,for what it is worth. It is a good idea, yes maybe check out day on each end (every boat has its querks) but with fix what you break agreements, I would consider it. Sso, GOOD IDEA, get a dealer/factory rep. Involved and go for it.
 
My wife and I have discussed this very idea. There would be some challenges but it seems like a good idea to us. Considering the cost (if you hire it) of a round trip to the east coast could be well over 10k some risk-taking might be in order.

Unfortunately we too are in the Bay Area.

Perhaps having both boats fully serviced and checked out before the swap would be in order.

I'd love to cruise the Erie Canal, probably couldn't get into too much trouble there.

Jeff P.
 
Maybe the factory and a couple dealers could provide a demonstrator boat on each coast for potential purchasers to try and for owners to use at a nominal fee?
The problems I would have with lending and borrowing, is when I borrow your boat and something fails or breaks, was it my fault or was it the owners 600 previous hours of use? Then when I get my boat back and something breaks was it the way the person I loaned it to treated the boat? ..
Perhaps instead of swapping boats,visit each other and be chauffeured around each owners area being a helpful crew and supplying food and fuel? This way you get to enjoy the new area with out any stress and get to make new friends .
 
There are motorcycle and aircraft owners groups that have published member’s locations and contact information (only members that want to be contacted) so one can contact them for local knowledge, logistics, and support as one travels across country. This could be done for members of Tugnuts, that are willing to help with providing local knowledge, trailer/truck storage, provisioning, repairs, touristy things to do etc. for those who want to experience different areas of the country. We live within 10 minutes of (arguably) a very beautiful stretch of the Mississippi River. It would be easy for us to support those who want to visit this area of the river. Maybe a separate list on the Forum Index for those who want to provide contact information and what they are willing to provide to support a visiting boat?
 
The World of Ranger Tugs and Cutwater Boats map could be a good place to start. Every boat location marker includes the owner's Tugnuts member name. Registered members logged into Tugnuts can contact other members via Personal Message and/or email links found in member profiles.

Cheers,

Bruce
 
The swap thing sounds like a good idea in theory, but I suspect there are a lot of owners (myself included) that aren't willing to turn their boats over to a virtual stranger for a week. I would have to have first hand knowledge of the person.

The second idea, on the other hand, sounds pretty good. Establish a network of people willing to share local knowledge and perhaps help with advance "boots on the ground" support for those planning to trailer to a given area with their own boat. I'd participate in something like that. Though not many people bring their boats this far north. Among boaters in the lower 48, "Alaska" usually refers to southeast Alaska. A whole different kettle of tea than Prince William Sound.
 
I love this idea, but as we are newbies you probably would want to wait a while before you trust us with your boat! Ours will be in Portsmouth NH.
 
I bought my boat with a trailer so I could take it to all those great places.
 
I think this discussion is on the edge of a great solution! One of my many passions is motorcycles. Currently a BMW R1200RT. I am also a member of Motorcycles Of America (MOA). They publish a book listing volunteers specific by area that are willing to offer anything from conversation to a place to bunk for the night. The member volunteers to list themselves and selects from a list of acronyms the help they are willing to offer. There is 50 or more acronyms. Specific to this discussion how about offering local knowledge, a place to park a truck and trailer, mechanical assistance, shuttle service, social invites, moorage, a tow, general boating questions, or any other Good Samaritan ideas that could assist the Ranger Tug group. This forum boasts a wealth of knowledge but in an hour of need it's difficult to get timely help needed. I for one would feel better knowing who in the area is willing lend a hand. The factory has provided amazing support however the Ranger Tug communities vested ownership extends beyond the original purchase. I for one would be available to offer any assistance I could. Maybe this as simple as creating a list of scenarios and adding them to our profile.

Suggestions? Ideas?

Good luck!
 
MTOA has what are called Port Captains. I have found this very useful. Their e-mail and phone number is published. I have contacted them in a specific area I was going to and they helped me with whatever I was looking for. It is a great resource. Having a database with contacts and resources is a great idea, but thought has to be put into how it will be managed. A downloadable excel spreadsheet that can be sorted by one's choice would work. Someone who is a computer guru would have to figure out how the data could get on the sheet without the other data being compromised and then how one could access the sheet.
 
If one were to log on to the World of Ranger Tugs page, you could find someone near your preferred cruising area and send them a private message with a request for information.
 
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