Buying Decisions Help: North Idaho

Bulljon

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We are now serious about purchasing our first Ranger tug after 10 years of contemplation. My main question surrounds the practicality of using a newboat in two locations. The primary home would be on Lake Pend Orielle in North Idaho. The boat will be in a private mooring year-round. I want to be able to set the boat up for fishing, think Salmon Trolling, including downriggers, planer boards and rod towers etc. Some of the best fishing takes place in November and December so the added comfort of a heated cabin is obviously very appealing. The second use would be an occasional trip to Puget Sound or potentially Vancouver Island for salmon, fishing, crabbing, etc. I’m currently leaning toward the R 25 as the front runner for a few reasons. Seems like the extended back deck around the outboard would be well suited to fishing. I would like to be able to attach a secondary kicker and operate it through some kind of remote or auto pilot system. Not sure if this is practical? I have a Ram 1-Ton Diesel Dually as a tow rig. It should easily handle the weight of the 25 foot boat. Would it be a stretch to think that a R27 could serve this purpose better? Day trips in North Idaho will generally have family members on board with very limited overnight stays. Overnight trips to Puget Sound would be with two passengers sleeping aboard. I’m very interested in thoughts on this matter. Should I be thinking about a larger boat? Diesel vs. Outboard power. We are thinking about a preowned boat and hope to find and purchase something by the end of 2026. Appreciate any insights and comments.
 
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We do lots of fishing on our R27. This is how we were rigged for our trip last summer up the Inside Passage. Prawn trap and crab trap on the swim platform. Scottie downriggers. Salmon, jigging, and halibut rods in holders on each side of the bimini. 9.9hp kicker.
 
The R23 has room on the swim platform than the R25. Also IMO a larger cockpit due to the narrow stern section.
 
View attachment 26948We do lots of fishing on our R27. This is how we were rigged for our trip last summer up the Inside Passage. Prawn trap and crab trap on the swim platform. Scottie downriggers. Salmon, jigging, and halibut rods in holders on each side of the bimini. 9.9hp kicker.
That’s a nice looking set up! Have you trailered your boat much or do you keep it on the water full-time? I really like the idea of the extra comfort of the R27. Without getting in one and comparing it side-by-side with the 25 it is hard to imagine the difference. Maybe you could shed some light. Also, how do you steer your kicker? Thanks for the response. I really appreciate it.
 
The R23 has room on the swim platform than the R25. Also IMO a larger cockpit due to the narrow stern section.
I noticed in the specs that the length of both the R23 and R25 were identical. Dry weight difference is 500 pounds more for the R25. Is the floor plan slightly different? I like the idea of something easier to trailer.
 
We trailer our boat about two hours one way, each time we use it. It's stored in our garage when we're using it. Been to Puget Sound and back twice from Northen Wisconsin. Trailer is an Integrity triple axel aluminum trailer.
 
We trailer our boat about two hours one way, each time we use it. It's stored in our garage when we're using it. Been to Puget Sound and back twice from Northen Wisconsin. Trailer is an Integrity triple axel aluminum trailer.
Great info, that helps. Thanks again. JM
 
That’s a nice looking set up! Have you trailered your boat much or do you keep it on the water full-time? I really like the idea of the extra comfort of the R27. Without getting in one and comparing it side-by-side with the 25 it is hard to imagine the difference. Maybe you could shed some light. Also, how do you steer your kicker? Thanks for the response. I really appreciate it.
 
Its been a while since I've been on a 25 so can't comment on the space. We like the 150 gallon fuel tank on the 27 for the range. Kicker is tied to the main engine for steering so the autopilot is one way we steer it while trolling.
 
The R-25 is actually longer than the R-23, but as Robert states, it has more room on the swim platform. That’s because it has the motor mounted on the back of the swim platform. This means that the actual dimensions of the R-23, minus the swim platform, are shorter than the R-25. This length largely is in the v-berth, and as a result, the R-25 has more privacy than the R-23. The head in the R-23 is open to the v-berth, whereas the one in the R-25 has a door to close it. The sink in the R-25 is inside the head, whereas in the R-23 it is outside. This means the R-25 has a wet head that you can shower in. I suppose you potentially could on the R-23 as well, but it doesn’t seem as comfortable. In the salon the two seem rather similar, so I think most of the extra length went into the v-berth.

The R-25 also has greater capacity in every respect. It has a larger fuel tank, larger water tank, larger waste tank, and a larger motor. All those mean you can stay out longer, if that’s what you’re looking for. The range on the R-25 is around 600 nm if you are relatively careful with the throttle and have the stock setup. If you get some aftermarket tuning, you can probably do better. The R-27 is a significant step up from the R-25 in nearly every respect as well. We had a 2024 R-25OB (Fluid Motion has it now to sell) and it was comfortable for 4 days or so for two people. I know people who spend weeks on an R-27. But, in return, it is a bigger boat to trailer.

In terms of fishing, the swim step on the R-25 is wonderful. You get around the motor, which you don’t on the R-27 and the R-23. I found it very helpful, especially for netting fish. Both the R-23 and the R-25 have an open cockpit with no Bimini supports, meaning you don’t have to pass rods around those if you keep the downriggers and rods forward of those supports. That’s quite helpful in my opinion. I’ve lost fish having to pass the rods around the Bimini supports before. However, the cockpit of the R-27 feels substantially larger, so it does have more room to move around.

They’re kicker motors, if you get them from the factory, are mounted on the port side of the swim step. On the R-25 the swim step is modified and shortened on the port side for the kicker. I thought the reason for that was that you attach a steering rod to the main engine from the kicker and that’s how you steer it, but the options on the new boat say they have “electric steering and a wireless remote”. I didn’t have one on mine, and I don’t know exactly what that means, but the factory is usually great about answering questions as well. @Submariner has a helpful video on the kicker motor on his R-27 that may help:

They’re all very capable. You will likely love any of them. Every boat is a trade-off. For us, the R-25 was a great sweet spot that ticked all the boxes at the time.
 
The R-25 is actually longer than the R-23, but as Robert states, it has more room on the swim platform. That’s because it has the motor mounted on the back of the swim platform. This means that the actual dimensions of the R-23, minus the swim platform, are shorter than the R-25. This length largely is in the v-berth, and as a result, the R-25 has more privacy than the R-23. The head in the R-23 is open to the v-berth, whereas the one in the R-25 has a door to close it. The sink in the R-25 is inside the head, whereas in the R-23 it is outside. This means the R-25 has a wet head that you can shower in. I suppose you potentially could on the R-23 as well, but it doesn’t seem as comfortable. In the salon the two seem rather similar, so I think most of the extra length went into the v-berth.

The R-25 also has greater capacity in every respect. It has a larger fuel tank, larger water tank, larger waste tank, and a larger motor. All those mean you can stay out longer, if that’s what you’re looking for. The range on the R-25 is around 600 nm if you are relatively careful with the throttle and have the stock setup. If you get some aftermarket tuning, you can probably do better. The R-27 is a significant step up from the R-25 in nearly every respect as well. We had a 2024 R-25OB (Fluid Motion has it now to sell) and it was comfortable for 4 days or so for two people. I know people who spend weeks on an R-27. But, in return, it is a bigger boat to trailer.

In terms of fishing, the swim step on the R-25 is wonderful. You get around the motor, which you don’t on the R-27 and the R-23. I found it very helpful, especially for netting fish. Both the R-23 and the R-25 have an open cockpit with no Bimini supports, meaning you don’t have to pass rods around those if you keep the downriggers and rods forward of those supports. That’s quite helpful in my opinion. I’ve lost fish having to pass the rods around the Bimini supports before. However, the cockpit of the R-27 feels substantially larger, so it does have more room to move around.

They’re kicker motors, if you get them from the factory, are mounted on the port side of the swim step. On the R-25 the swim step is modified and shortened on the port side for the kicker. I thought the reason for that was that you attach a steering rod to the main engine from the kicker and that’s how you steer it, but the options on the new boat say they have “electric steering and a wireless remote”. I didn’t have one on mine, and I don’t know exactly what that means, but the factory is usually great about answering questions as well. @Submariner has a helpful video on the kicker motor on his R-27 that may help:

They’re all very capable. You will likely love any of them. Every boat is a trade-off. For us, the R-25 was a great sweet spot that ticked all the boxes at the time.
Thank you for the comprehensive explanation. All of the information is very helpful and I appreciate the time you took to offer your experience.

I am leaning toward the R 25 for many of the reasons that you mentioned. At this point in time it would not be likely that we would spend more than a night or two on board. We live part of the year in Kansas and 5 to 6 months of the year in Idaho where the boat will be stored. One last question, I would really like to have an opportunity to get on board and compare all three models. At one time, one of the boat dealers in the North Idaho area had a couple of range tugs that we looked at. It does not appear that they still carry that line or our simply out of them. Is there anywhere that you can think of that would offer the opportunity to compare all three models in person?
 
Happy to help. Great question on seeing them. The Seattle Boat Show just closed this past weekend unfortunately. Fluid Motion had all three there. The next one relatively close may be Boats Afloat? They list the shows they will be at on the website: https://www.rangertugs.com/events

If that doesn’t work, you may want to try and reach out to the factory and see what options they could offer. They are usually great at supporting owners and potential owners.
 
I steer and control the throttle on my kicker motor with a Garmin Kicker Autopilot. I fish a lot on my R23, stay out on the boat for weeks, and trailer with a F150 4x4 hybrid.
 
I steer and control the throttle on my kicker motor with a Garmin Kicker Autopilot. I fish a lot on my R23, stay out on the boat for weeks, and trailer with a F150 4x4 hybrid.
Thanks for the reply, Hamster. I will look into the Garmin auto pilot for the kicker. Also good to hear that you are able to handle extended overnight trips in the R 23. It sounds like towing should be manageable as well. More good first hand information to help with a decision. Do you run downriggers on your boat?
 
Thanks for the reply, Hamster. I will look into the Garmin auto pilot for the kicker. Also good to hear that you are able to handle extended overnight trips in the R 23. It sounds like towing should be manageable as well. More good first hand information to help with a decision. Do you run downriggers on your boat?
Yes, I run downriggers. Regularly fish for salmon, halibut, lingcod and crab. Love my boat. Good fishing and cruising combo.
 
I can’t answer all of your questions, but I can speak to the RT-25SC since I own a 2015. I bought mine new and moored it on Coeur d’Alene for eight years, then the lake got too small. Hagadone was difficult to deal with for moorage, but their mechanics were excellent and far more reasonably priced than what I’ve seen on the west side. During those eight years, every other season I’d trailer the boat to different lakes around the Northwest, including the Snake River, and then haul it over to the San Juans and cruise both the San Juan Islands and Canada’s Gulf Islands. So now I take it out and spend 1-4 weeks at a stretch every year, either crabbing or fresh water cruising. I never had any issues trailering it with my F-250 diesel, and your dually should handle it even better.

As for the 27 versus the 25, it really comes down to conditions. Depending on the wave length, sometimes the 25 will ride better and sometimes the 27 will, yet you can change some of that by changing your speed too. On Pend Oreille, you likely won’t notice much difference. When I bought my 25 new, I thought the 27 might be the better choice, but in reality, the main differences are a bit more cabin length and possibly a little more cockpit space. My wife’s main reason for not getting the 27 was the stove, she said it would be the most expensive stove ever at $50,000. I’ve done just fine with a grill on the back, and I can even bake with it. I also like the swim decks on the older boats. Totally open no engine in the way at all.

As for old style versus new, I can’t say definitively on space, but I have looked at buying new again at both, a newer 25 and 27, the 27 seemed like it had a little more room. That said, I still think the older 25s may be roomier than the newer 25s, though I could be wrong.

What I really like about the older style, besides the looks, is how solid they are. More steady at rest too. Mine has never leaked. Jeff, the company’s VP at the time, told me it never would, and he’s been right. I also love the heat off the diesel engine while underway. You don’t get that with the newer outboards. Same with hot water, the older diesel inboards heat the water from the engine. With the newer style, you’re running a diesel heater, filling separate tanks for the outboard and the heater, and watching your electrical load. Sure, flip on the converter, but then you’re wondering if you’ve got enough juice left to run the crockpot all day.

And the electric grill? You have to run a generator or be plugged in. Not me. I like pulling into a quiet bay and not firing up a genny. Just light the propane or briquette grill, your choice, and enjoy the peace.

As for fuel, diesel is certainly safer, and range has never been an issue for me. I remember someone saying they had to carry extra fuel on a passage because they couldn’t quite make it. I remember thinking, I could have; maybe riding the tide and slowing down a bit, but I could have made it. In that same conversation they said they were burning about 0.9 to 1.1 gallons per nautical mile at speed. My 25 burns around 2.1 to 2.2 gallons per nautical mile, and that’s at cruising speed of 14 to 15 knots. Slow it down and it sips fuel, at 6 knots, it burns a gallon an hour. And honestly, speed just isn’t that important to me. For you, maybe it is. For me, it’s about the trip. I can’t imagine trying to keep track of flotsam, logs, crab pots, other boats, and all the mystery junk floating around out there at 30 mph.

So as you can see I prefer an older style over the new style. I’ve considered a 27 several times over the years and have always come back to the 25 as being easier to pull, getting into gas stations, store and probably launch. Cheaper to moor, store and fuel. I may sell mine this fall but every year I think that, I just think I will miss her too much, so who knows? Forget the 2 footitis and just go for the 29!
 
I can’t answer all of your questions, but I can speak to the RT-25SC since I own a 2015. I bought mine new and moored it on Coeur d’Alene for eight years, then the lake got too small. Hagadone was difficult to deal with for moorage, but their mechanics were excellent and far more reasonably priced than what I’ve seen on the west side. During those eight years, every other season I’d trailer the boat to different lakes around the Northwest, including the Snake River, and then haul it over to the San Juans and cruise both the San Juan Islands and Canada’s Gulf Islands. So now I take it out and spend 1-4 weeks at a stretch every year, either crabbing or fresh water cruising. I never had any issues trailering it with my F-250 diesel, and your dually should handle it even better.

As for the 27 versus the 25, it really comes down to conditions. Depending on the wave length, sometimes the 25 will ride better and sometimes the 27 will, yet you can change some of that by changing your speed too. On Pend Oreille, you likely won’t notice much difference. When I bought my 25 new, I thought the 27 might be the better choice, but in reality, the main differences are a bit more cabin length and possibly a little more cockpit space. My wife’s main reason for not getting the 27 was the stove, she said it would be the most expensive stove ever at $50,000. I’ve done just fine with a grill on the back, and I can even bake with it. I also like the swim decks on the older boats. Totally open no engine in the way at all.

As for old style versus new, I can’t say definitively on space, but I have looked at buying new again at both, a newer 25 and 27, the 27 seemed like it had a little more room. That said, I still think the older 25s may be roomier than the newer 25s, though I could be wrong.

What I really like about the older style, besides the looks, is how solid they are. More steady at rest too. Mine has never leaked. Jeff, the company’s VP at the time, told me it never would, and he’s been right. I also love the heat off the diesel engine while underway. You don’t get that with the newer outboards. Same with hot water, the older diesel inboards heat the water from the engine. With the newer style, you’re running a diesel heater, filling separate tanks for the outboard and the heater, and watching your electrical load. Sure, flip on the converter, but then you’re wondering if you’ve got enough juice left to run the crockpot all day.

And the electric grill? You have to run a generator or be plugged in. Not me. I like pulling into a quiet bay and not firing up a genny. Just light the propane or briquette grill, your choice, and enjoy the peace.

As for fuel, diesel is certainly safer, and range has never been an issue for me. I remember someone saying they had to carry extra fuel on a passage because they couldn’t quite make it. I remember thinking, I could have; maybe riding the tide and slowing down a bit, but I could have made it. In that same conversation they said they were burning about 0.9 to 1.1 gallons per nautical mile at speed. My 25 burns around 2.1 to 2.2 gallons per nautical mile, and that’s at cruising speed of 14 to 15 knots. Slow it down and it sips fuel, at 6 knots, it burns a gallon an hour. And honestly, speed just isn’t that important to me. For you, maybe it is. For me, it’s about the trip. I can’t imagine trying to keep track of flotsam, logs, crab pots, other boats, and all the mystery junk floating around out there at 30 mph.

So as you can see I prefer an older style over the new style. I’ve considered a 27 several times over the years and have always come back to the 25 as being easier to pull, getting into gas stations, store and probably launch. Cheaper to moor, store and fuel. I may sell mine this fall but every year I think that, I just think I will miss her too much, so who knows? Forget the 2 footitis and just go for the 29!
Excellent response. I sent you a DM. With your Idaho experience I am hoping to discuss further. Appreciate the reply. JM
 
Love @rheimb1’s description of the 25SC. There is definitely some interesting advantages of the diesel boats that you lose in the outboards. Just for comparison, in terms of fuel burn, in my 2024 R-25OB I was getting 1.9 to 2.0 mpg at cruising speed (around 25-28 knots). The big advantage there was speed. For those of us working, we couldn’t always take the time to go at displacement speed. If I got off work at 4 on a Friday, I could still make it up to the San Juans before dark in the summer because the boat could do the trip in just over two hours. I could stay up there an extra two or three hours on the way home. If you’re in lakes in Idaho, perhaps that’s not as big a concern? We never re-propped ours. Those numbers are with the stock prop. Based on the reports from those who did re-prop the R-27, I expect the 25 would get closer to 2.3 mpg with a new propeller, possibly more if you also did a re-tune on the engine.

The propane grill can obviously be added to any boat, and it does have certain advantages. That said, I loved the Kenyon electric grill. With 600 amp hours of batteries, we never worried very much about power. It was way plenty for everything we did, including running the grill. I got a Kenyon griddle for it and that allowed us to cook bacon and eggs on it, which was pretty cool. My experience with the lithium packs on the boat is much like electric cars. If you’ve never had one, and for the first two weeks after you take delivery, you obsess about range and efficiency. After two weeks, you’ll never look at the battery gauge again. It’s just there and it works.

Every boat is about tradeoffs. If you want nimble, fast, and capable, and can deal with it being a little more tight inside, get the 25. If you want to stay out a little longer, and can afford it, go to the 27. You’ll be more comfortable. If you want to stay out even longer, are OK with going a little slower (15-18 knots instead of 25-28), and want the conveniences that come with the diesel, and can afford it, you will love the 29. However, the price is in a completely different class. By the time you kit out the 29, you can get two 25s so you have one his color and one in her’s. 😀
 
Thank you for the reply, more good information to consider. When you said quick and nimble that rang a bell. When fishing Pend Orielle it is common to to run 20 minutes at 35 mph to get to some of the fishing. With my current boat, a 21’ Stealthweld Hardtop and 200 HP Yamaha it is an advantage to have some speed. Another consideration is how fast weather can set in. It is not uncommon to have to “make a run for it” when conditions change. There are very few places to ride out a storm on anchor. That said, the outboard is more appealing, however, I like some of the advantages that only the diesel offers. The other issue with the older 25’s is the position of the head. When fishing multiple lines on planer boards. ( I run 8 rods, often when fishing alone ) I need a clear view of the cockpit to monitor the gear. I also see the utility of the lift up cockpit window and seat as a good place to operate a remote kicker while fishing.
I have been added to a waiting list for a larger private boat house, so fingers crossed that something comes along soon. Thanks again for all the help.
 
Does anyone know what year the Lithium Power System began and if the onboard AC can be run from it?

Can it be added without too much discomfort?

I have a propane grill on my current boat and use it often. Interested in the electric grill with griddle. Not sue I want to fry bacon inside that pristine cabin
 
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