Ceramic coating brands

trailertrawlerkismet

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I’ve been researching Ceramic coatings as a possibility for our soon to be constructed R25OB. In my research I’ve found several products for marine use, I’ve also searched on Tugnuts but found no particular brand name referred to. For those that have done the ceramic prep n application themselves what brand did you use? How has it held up? Would you do it again? Downsides to ceramic from an application standpoint or for longevity ?

Jim F
 
I just recently finished detailing my 2011 R27 (Fancy Nancy) with the claret red hull and applied a ceramic coating. I used a coating, Liquid Armor HD, made by Marine Nano.
It started as an experiment to see if anything would hold up in the sun here in so cal. None of the wax products tried (3M, Fleet wax, Meguiars...) have lasted more than a week or two. The oxidation was so bad, the boat looked pink. I thought I was going to have to paint to solve the problem.
I have some before and after pics in my album on this site. After 5 weeks, the eyebrows still look as good as when they were initially coated. My experiment evolved into the entire boat. I'm especially pleased how the stack red stripe and Ranger tug logo cleaned up and have held their gloss.
I do know that Kevin (on this forum) does the ceramic coating and has been lauded as being very good.
I have also seen mention of a new product called "Graphene" that is competing with the ceramic for the "best to use" category, but have not seen much about marine applications - yet.
Application is easy, it's the prep that is key.
 
I just completed applying a ceramic coating to the dark blue hull on our '21 R27-OB, so I can tell you about my experience. First, a caveat; I'm a die-hard DIY guy and I'm really good at man-math, the concept that if a professional quoted a job for $500, I could buy $400 worth of tools to complete the same job and the tools would, in effect, be "free". And, I'd save a few bucks to boot! This may or may not apply to you, depending on how you value your time. My wife would tell you I value mine below market rate, based on how long it takes me to acquire supplies, do research, and get the work done.

Anyway, I used System X Xtreme ceramic coating. I chose them because they appeared to have a "professional-grade" product that they would sell to me, a consumer. My research indicated that most high-end ceramic marketers would only sell to commercial installers who were certified in their product. This is for good reason, because my experience applying ceramic is that it's not all science - there is a bit of art and voodoo involved, as well. A lot of companies are putting "ceramic" on their product labels but they are not true ceramic coatings, so choose your product carefully.

My hull was in good shape, so I prepped it with Marine 31 Captain's One-Step compound/polish, wiped it down with alcohol, and then went over it again with Starke Triple P polish. The application of the ceramic was pretty straight forward - wipe it on, level it with a microfiber cloth, and wipe off the residue when it begins to flash/evaporate. The first coat went on very well. As I was half way through the second coat, the humidity began to go up and the application process significantly changed. The time from application to flash increased quite a bit and it became harder to time when to remove the product. That's the "art and voodoo" part. I can see why companies limit who they sell to because it would be easy to screw this up and then try to blame the product.

I expected the process to be a lot of hard and tedious work. I wasn't disappointed. There's a reason it costs several boating units to have someone do it. But for me, the results look great and were worth the effort. The hull has a great shine, looks cleaner while cruising (less salt-spotting) and is easier to keep clean. This is even more noticeable on the outboards. It's also looking like there is less fender rash than before the coating.

I'll begin doing my topsides tomorrow - much less real estate but a lot more detail work. I'll be happy if my results hold up for two years before I need to do any significant work. I will be applying System X's maintenance spray regularly to maintain the shine.

Hope that helps!
 
Put me in the plus column for Kevin. Based upon reviews I towed our boat to Seattle specifically to have Kevin do the coating. Admittedly we are only 6 months in since we had it done and here is our experience thus far:

1) Absolutely agree that prep is key! When we went to Flaming Gorge this year there were a large number of boats mostly bigger than ours with ceramic coatings. Many of these folks seemed a bit humbled by the shine on our boat. Some stopped by to chat and it became clear many were responsible for their own prep and the coating was put on over whatever they had done. I didn’t hear of anyone where the coating person did the prep or when they did it was a bit superficial.

2) Our boat had the barnacle husks remaining from spending 2 months in the PNW last summer. I tried getting them off and they were a bear. I finally gave up. Not only did Kevin get all of those off, our bottom looks like a brand new boat (along with the rest of it). All included in the price.

3) We trailer a lot and for long distances. I used to spend a couple hours scrubbing all the bugs and diesel soot off the visor and back of the boat once getting settled into the marina. Now I stand back with a hose with good pressure and 80-90 percent comes off with the remainder only requiring a light rub. I can rinse the entire boat, light rub a couple spots and use my leave blower to blow dry it on all in about 1 hr 15 mins. When done it looks like I just waxed the boat. Historically this would be a multi hour project.

4) Spent the week in the dirty delta and had the same experience with simple cleanup. I have found using a hose with good water pressure to be the key. I have now literally removed a case full of cleaners, waxes, soaps, polishes etc that I used to keep onboard (yes I can be a bit OCD about cleaning our boat).

We are getting ready to do our first 6 month mist and wipe down with the hydroserym to reactivate the coating. Supposedly this is all I have to do every six months. If that is the case we are very happy since we do not bottom paint and typically keep our boat in the water 2-4 weeks at a time. Last year was an exception.

We will be curious to see how this all holds up long term. So far this has saved us a ton of clean up time and the boat looks better than when I used to wax it. Good luck with your choice!
 
Trying to not let perfection get in the way of excellence and too much lost time, this is what I have been doing this season...

I bought an 8oz bottle of Nexgen Ceramic coating on Amazon for $35 for my R27. I wash a section of the boat with plain water and a sponge. Then I go over the area with denatured alcohol and a rag to remove any existing wax, water stains, and debris. Next I apply compound to get an nice even finish to the area using a small detailing buffer that I use above decks given all the small discontinuous surfaces and do what I can when the sun isn't shining. Finally I apply the ceramic with a small piece of micro fiber cloth horizontally, vertically and swirly and immediately buff it lightly by hand with a larger dry micro fiber cloth. The hardest part is trying not to over apply the ceramic. The bottle sprayer works great and really disperses the mist but once you start wiping it out its a bit difficult to see what you have done and what you haven't done.

It looks great with a nice reflective surface on the white parts and brings back the hunter green on the hull and eyebrows. After a few weeks it still looks great and water beads. When its convenient I wash the surface lightly and reapply the ceramic. Hopefully, no more buffing and waxing. So far its working great. The 8oz bottle will almost cover everything above decks. You can also use it on stainless, plastics and windows but that seems overkill.

Note: the boat surfaces were in pretty good shape to begin with - just barely feeling a bit chalky when I started but getting noticeable discoloring of the sponge when washing and the rag when alcoholing.

Note note: I was told if you don't compound out marks and stains completely, then when you apply the ceramic you will basically be bonding the marks into the finish.

GF
 
Although I can't comment on the brands, I would strongly +1 Kevin VanderHayden, who did our C30 after 2 years and it looks better than new. For a new delivery, in particular, Kevin would likely do it at CSR Des Moines at delivery time.
 
My philosophy follows Pandion's and his "man-math". I did see a You tube video done by some folks in Seattle for ceramic on their 50 ft yacht, in which the pro detailer quoted a price of about $150 per foot to do a hull in the water. I did mine in the water. We have relatively low floating docks so I was able to reach all of the hull except the bottom strake just above the line of bottom paint. That section will require some special attention when I haul out this fall for bottom paint, since there are several stains on the gelcoat. Also it was impossible to get even a 3 inch buffing pad in there without contacting the water. That makes quite the mess. My biggest concern was the age/condition/thickness of the gelcoat. In my case, due to several years of professional detailing and waxing, there were parts of the hull that required wet sanding. The previous owners name on the stern quarters had been buffed over quite a few times so the letters stood proud from the surface by .0001 or .0002 in. They showed the original gelcoat and didn't oxidize like the surrounding gelcoat. It took some relatively aggressive sanding to fair the letters into the surrounding surface.
Working from the dock was an interesting adventure, I had an old paddle board that was sacrificed to make a footrest/work platform that could be sandwiched between the boat and dock at the perfect distance to allow the buffer to pass between the boat and my knees, yet still be close enough for decent pressure on the buffing pads. It also provided a safety platform in case the buffer got away. At least it wouldn't go straight into the drink.
All of this has been appropriately commented on by the unofficial dock committee/peanut gallery watching from the bar. The consensus is:
I am out of my mind for attempting this in the first place
It has been three weeks plus of extremely hard work
The results are phenomenal.
I was even offered a job by one of the local boat detailing guys, said he couldn't find young guys willing to learn how to run a buffer. I politely declined.
I do have a few small areas to complete like the cockpit, a small section of roof top and the nonskid on the bow.
 
Seriously planning on Ceramic Coating during winter maintenance. Standard wax jobs only last 3-6 months and it would be great to get a year or two. I'm not really looking for concours d'elegance appearance, but, want to protect the gelcoat from oxidizing.

I don't know of any Ceramic Coating boat specialist in the Bay Area, so I asked KKMI, my boatyard, for a quote...which is 10-11 hours at $110/hour. He told me to acquire the product that I want applied.

I see a few products mentioned here. However, what is concerning is:
Anyway, I used System X Xtreme ceramic coating. I chose them because they appeared to have a "professional-grade" product that they would sell to me, a consumer. My research indicated that most high-end ceramic marketers would only sell to commercial installers who were certified in their product. This is for good reason, because my experience applying ceramic is that it's not all science - there is a bit of art and voodoo involved, as well. A lot of companies are putting "ceramic" on their product labels but they are not true ceramic coatings, so choose your product carefully.

If you need a 'certified' installer, maybe I should try harder to find one or pass. KKMI is one of the top boat yards in the area, but, they all over commit at times.
 
Does someone have Kevin's contact information?

thanks,
 
You can reach Kevin at 360-471-5882 or premierceramiccoating.com. He is doing our R25OB next week and we’re anxious to see the outcome. Kevin states his product will/ has lasted for 5 years. He states this from an applying it to his Ranger Tug he sold recently.

Jim F
 
Did not do this myself... but had Kevin at Premier Ceramic Coatings (who did a truly amazing job! Serious attention to detail!) do our color-correction/coating in May of 2020. After thousands of hours exposed to the sun, and many hundred hours in the water, it's holding up fantastic!

SO much better than any wax job I've ever gotten, and based on my experience hiring detailers to wax our old boat (only slightly larger than our R23) twice a year just to keep the oxidation at bay, it's MORE than paid for itself!

Been applying serum as upkeep (very easy) and water still beads off like it's scared! :mrgreen:
 
I reached out to Kevin based on all the positive comments, realizing, that he's in Seattle, I'm in the Bay Area, and I took the vow of 'no trailering'. Short story is that his work time is much longer than I was quoted, 4 days for a boat my size, and includes a lot of prep. I'd still be interested since he's doing a very thorough job...he really sold me when he described how the product defends against bird poop, boat enemy #1.

After a nice chat, I forwarded him the contact for the owner or KKMI to see if they can strike a deal. He has west coast rights to his product and, if he is ever not busy, he intends to expand.

~Paul
 
What happens as the ceramic coating ages…does it just sort of disappear like wax does or does it dry and crack/ flake off? (I’m trying to see any “downside” to the ceramic coating?)

(I’m for some reason imagining a varnish which although beautiful when applied, can be a headache to keep up with)
 
Yeah some called me crazy for towing my boat all the way to Seattle for Kevin to do it. Now 7 months in I would do it again-totally worth it. It would be great if he expands and strikes a deal with someone in Cali although it is hard to imagine many folks out there with the attention to detail he provides. He literally cleaned two months worth of barnacle husks off my hull from cruising last summer. Looks like new! The best part is no soap or sponge needed anymore- just hose off with strong stream of water, blow dry with backpack leave blower and done. Looks like it was just waxed. The hydrosyrum spray wipe down is done every six months (just did it first time). So nice not to have to buff, rub and wax. I should of had him do my truck!
 
Good question about how the ceramic coating ages.
My product will never crack or yellow, it will wear off with time if not properly maintained. The first to go would be the hydrophobic affect and that is a good indicator that it should have the aftercare applied soon. If the aftercare is not applied the ceramic will wear off eventually. The boat can be recoated without buffing or polishing. Recoating is significantly less work the second time if it needs to be done. My 2017 R23 looked like new when I sold it this spring and it was coated in 2017. Looking forward to getting our new R25 in February possibly.
Any other questions feel free to pm me and thanks for the positive comments, Kevin
 
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