Cutwater 26 performance

Hey there Brian,

After reading your post about the boat now being able to get the bow down really seems to me like the tabs aren't working as they should. I am pretty sure I remembered PBH installing a heavy outboard directly on the swim step of your C26. How much weight has been added to that area? I recently had a cutwater that had the tabs mounted slightly higher than they should not allowing the full down travel of the tab to be effective. The boat needs to come out of the water to check this but I would be more than willing to pay to have this inspected on your boat and have someone use the special trim tab tool to make sure this isn't your issue. We would be glad to help.

Give me a call on my cell when you get a moment and we can work out a plan.


Andrew Custis
(253)230-0727
 
Andrews response is the reason we buy Ranger Tugs and Cutwater boats. Service after the sale is outstanding. Good luck with your C26, it's a great boat.

Tim
Gratitude R27
 
Way to go Andrew.... Customer Service at its best... 🙂
 
Andrew Custis":17r13yft said:
Hey there Brian,

After reading your post about the boat now being able to get the bow down really seems to me like the tabs aren't working as they should. I am pretty sure I remembered PBH installing a heavy outboard directly on the swim step of your C26. How much weight has been added to that area? I recently had a cutwater that had the tabs mounted slightly higher than they should not allowing the full down travel of the tab to be effective. The boat needs to come out of the water to check this but I would be more than willing to pay to have this inspected on your boat and have someone use the special trim tab tool to make sure this isn't your issue. We would be glad to help.

Give me a call on my cell when you get a moment and we can work out a plan.


Andrew Custis
(253)230-0727
Yes Andrew, there is a Yamaha T9.9 on the grid plus the gas tank. The grid was cut in to bring the kicker closer to the stern. The setup works very well and is integrated into the hydraulic steering and auto pilot.
I had Steve Phillips (Canoe Cove - Sidney) call the factory about larger trim tabs to get the bow down a bit more but the joint conclusion was that it would be very expensive and not make any difference. I have distributed all the weight I can up front down below. I will give you a call to see if there is anything more we can do.

BB
 
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Yes Andrew, there is a Yamaha T9.9 on the grid plus the gas tank. The grid was cut in to bring the kicker closer to the stern. [/quote]

I would think adding 350+ lbs on the stern of a 26 ft boat would have quite an adverse effect on the boats planing capability. With that lever arm I would agree even a larger trim tab won't overcome the added weight.
 
Yes Andrew, there is a Yamaha T9.9 on the grid plus the gas tank. The grid was cut in to bring the kicker closer to the stern. [/quote]

I would think adding 350+ lbs on the stern of a 26 ft boat would have quite an adverse effect on the boats planing capability. With that lever arm I would agree even a larger trim tab won't overcome the added weight.[/quote]

The T9.9 weighs 114 and the full gas tank is 35 for a combined weight of 159 lbs. Add a few pounds for fluids and cables.
The grid was cut in deeply to mount the kicker as far forward as possible, which has worked out very well using the long shaft model.

BB
 
oops...my bad, I was reading the spec's on the T60..sorry
 
Andrew Custis":26vfu7m0 said:
Hey there Brian,

After reading your post about the boat now being able to get the bow down really seems to me like the tabs aren't working as they should. I am pretty sure I remembered PBH installing a heavy outboard directly on the swim step of your C26. How much weight has been added to that area? I recently had a cutwater that had the tabs mounted slightly higher than they should not allowing the full down travel of the tab to be effective. The boat needs to come out of the water to check this but I would be more than willing to pay to have this inspected on your boat and have someone use the special trim tab tool to make sure this isn't your issue. We would be glad to help.

Give me a call on my cell when you get a moment and we can work out a plan.


Andrew Custis
(253)230-0727
Andrew I called Steve Phillips at Canoe Cove and their haul out tram is down and will be out of service for two months. Bad news at the start of boating season. He will try to arrange this at another site.
At 3600 rpm and full trim I get 15.3 mph.
At 3600 rpm with no trim I get 13.2 mph.
With no trim I can't see the water; with full trim I can barely see the surface twenty yards out in front but the speed is greater.

FYI - BB
 
Andrew, Canoe Cove replaced the rams on the trim tabs last Wednesday. Yesterday I had a chance to try it out.
Conditions were flat and calm at low slack to eliminate wind and current affecting the GPS speed. Fuel was 3/4 tank and water was full with two on board plus gear. I will put previous results in brackets.
3400 rpm - 14.2 mph (12.0)
3600 rpm - 17.9 mph (15.3)
Max rpm 3870 - 18.5 mph (14.8) Yes, previous speed @ 3870 was actually lower than 3600 because I think it was trying to push the stern deeper into the water.
As you can see, there has been a great improvement in performance. The hull engages the water now and the speed is higher. "Wallowing" is reduced and it's nice to see the wood on the water in front of the boat, rather than when it scoots past the side window, which has also reduced the use of the head. :lol:
The max rpm may be a bit low due to under-propping for this boat as configured and used. I will leave that to the experts.
Andrew, thanks for looking after this. You have a much happier Cutwater owner.

BB
 
bertnbb":3e4vg7od said:
3400 rpm - 14.2 mph (12.0)
3600 rpm - 17.9 mph (15.3)
Max rpm 3870 - 18.5 mph (14.8) Yes, previous speed @ 3870 was actually lower than 3600 because I think it was trying to push the stern deeper into the water.
...You have a much happier Cutwater owner.

BB

I'd be happy too, that's about as fast as our C28! 😱
 
Hi,
I've been facing the same problem with my C28 with the Volvo engine. I brought this issue up last year and it still has not been resolved yet. I also have Volvo involved. I knew last year that my wot rpms were too low and had addressed it.
Those same performance charts show the C28 reaching 3600 rpms. We ran a sea trial with Volvo and with 90% fuel, full water and 2 persons the best we got was 3300 rpms wot.
Stuart
 
Is there any way these performance issues are related to Cutwater's decision to discontinue the C26 line? The bow up issue would be less of a problem with an additional 2 feet of boat on the C28.
 
We purchased our C-26 in September 2016, but didn't have our PDI until April 2017. The diesel service company representative confirmed that the Volvo D-3 was performing to specification. WOT was at 4100 rpm. We have only 35 hours on the engine and have been cruising at 3100 rpm, giving us an average of 7 gal per hour at 10 knots. We'll be doing ICW cruising, north and south of Charleston, SC, so we'll be able to get a better idea of performance and range over time. We have noticed that the stern seems to squat and the bow does ride high. Setting the trim tabs made a slight difference in bringing the bow down.
 
Good morning DJD,
We have a 2012 26 Cutwater & have had it for three years, the following are the stats that you asked for as a comparison:
_ clean bottom, boat stays in the water all the time
_half fuel & half water
_no wend & no current, 65%F
_prop has never been touched since we bught the boat used,164hrs
_current hrs are 782hrs
_WOT 3800rpm @ 100% load
_two adults & all normal crusing equipment
_no generator or additional batteries
_ tabs fully extended
_14.2KTS
_ 80% load 12.3KTS
_180 HP Yanmar
We are very pleased with the boat & it's preformance
We are VERY pleased with support we have received from Cutwater & it's staff, just outstanding!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy your beautiful boat, have some fun,
Mike Harbin
M/V Elan
2012 Cutwater
180HP Yanmar
 
From BobnDoc
By way of sharing some maybe relavent figures
We just took delivery of a new C28 from Matt Ouilette of Bellingham yachts 10 days ago. On the second day of our 2 day systems and sea trial training, we moved the boat from Everett to Edmonds WA (a distance of 14 miles). On board were my wife, Cynthia, Matt and me. Also onboard were 100 gal. of fuel and 40 gal. of water. We cruised at 3000 rpm and 20-21 kts
per hour. The fuel efficiency stayed in the 2.1-2.2 nmpg on the Garmin plotter throughout the trip. The engine is the stock Volvo Pentagon D4 260hp. Matt's training and the support of the folks at Bellingham Yachts and Cutwater Boats was superb!!
OH,yes The bow stayed down and the view of the water,sunny sky and Mt. Rainier was great. Bob
 
koedding@comcast.net":2e7lddll said:
We purchased our C-26 in September 2016, but didn't have our PDI until April 2017. The diesel service company representative confirmed that the Volvo D-3 was performing to specification. WOT was at 4100 rpm. We have only 35 hours on the engine and have been cruising at 3100 rpm, giving us an average of 7 gal per hour at 10 knots. We'll be doing ICW cruising, north and south of Charleston, SC, so we'll be able to get a better idea of performance and range over time. We have noticed that the stern seems to squat and the bow does ride high. Setting the trim tabs made a slight difference in bringing the bow down.

Is the 10 knots a typo? Shouldn't 3100 rpm and 7 gph be closer to 20 knots?

Jim
 
Not a typo ! The performance is different on then 26 Cutwater. I have a 2016 D3 220 hp and my cruise speed is 3250 RPM 12.5 kts burning 7.2 gph which is right at 2mpg. The boat digs a big whole in the stern even with full tabs. WOT 4150 19 knts full tabs, pick the tabs up a little, boat slows down. The 2' and 40hp makes a huge difference on the performance of the 28. I made some changes to my trim tabs over the winter. I discussed the changes with the Dealer I purchased the boat, Cutwater and a rep. at Bennett trim tab. If they give positive results I will post them. My goal is to get the bow down and hopefully a slight increase in cruise speed.
Brian Brown
26 Cutwater
PORT-A-GEE
 


Over all we really enjoy our 26 Cutwater. I must admit that the performance is not as good as I expected it to be. The speed of the boat is sufficient Approx. 20KT. The real issue was the Bow ran high and with full tabs never came down. The trim tabs had to be applied all the way down all the time.
2016 Cruise and WOT performance/ no bottom paint ,Gel coat bottom
4130 -4150 RPM 19.5-20 Kt WOT full tabs
3250 RPM 12-12.5 kts Full tabs
2250 RPM 7kts Full tabs
Full to 3/4 water tank
Full to 3/4 fuel tank
2 adults on board

6 adults on board 4 in cockpit 2 in pilot house 3850 RPM 16.5 to 17 kts full tabs All I could see out of the windshield was sky.


I spent the winter adding extra equipment, building storage shelves, inverter, Catalina Magma grill , 6 hp outboard and a 8'10 aluminum RIB dinghy and a 10' paddle board. Conservative estimated extra weight 500 lbs plus the RIB hanging on the edge of the swim platform and outboard mounted on the cockpit rail 165lbs. Also I painted the bottom . Most of the additions are posted in my Album. I was concerned about running attitude of the boat and not having enough trim. I had a discussion with Ranger/Cutwater people and Bennett and looked into installing drop Fins on my existing trim tabs. I also thought that if I could take some of the negative trim away I could get the trailing edge of the tab down further. The path forward was to remove Trim tabs, Machine spacers, install between the trim ram and the tab and drill holes in the tabs to mount the drop fins. All changes were done with the thought that if any modifications compromised the handling of the boat they could be removed and be put back to original . Here are my results after two sea trials.

1st sea trial - Rib installed , outboard motor mounted in cockpit, Full water tank ,Full fuel tank, 4 days of supplies on board for a 4 day weekend of cruising, 4 adults on board, 3 in cockpit, Bottom painted.
4030 RPM 19 kts Full tabs good visibility out windshield, bow down ( I raised tabs up slightly and maintained same performance but bow started raising. I raised tabs up further and speed dropped considerably and the bow went up looking at the sky.
3250 RPM 11.5 kts full tabs bow down flatter wake then last year at this speed ( last year RIB not mounted) Raised tabs up lost a 1kt and 50 rpm bow came up
2250 RPM
2250 RPM 7kts full tabs, bow down, raised tabs up ,slight attitude change bow raised. speed didn't change.
Any speeds under 2000 RPM I run with tabs all the way up.

Sea trial 2- Rib and outboard taken off , 2 adults, 63 gallons of fuel ,full water tank, 1/2 full waste tank, all other equipment added onboard.
4130 to 4150 RPM 20.5 kts full tabs bow down , I raised up slightly bow still stayed down speed didn't change, I raised again bow started to raise but speed didn't change, I raised up slightly more bow continued to come up and lost 1kt. I can now over trim the boat , I never could do that last year. I didn't gain much more performance over last year but I did gain. Most important to me the bow is down.

3200 RPM is now my same speed as last years 3250- 12kts bow down and a real solid ride in the water. This is our cruise speed when in open water.The wake flattened out and the boat cuts through the water.
2250RPM 7.5 kts slight increase over last year

Sea conditions were temp 70 , waves 1' to 2' , wind 8 to 10 mph Lake Michigan.

WE will boat all summer and experience many different sea conditions , I keep a good log and at the end of the summer I will compare. I'm not really comparing apples to apples with the added weight, bottom paint, RIB and motor. If I didn't add the extra equipment and the RIB and motor I would not have looked into or thought of making changes. I am so far happy with the results.
Brian Brown
26 Cutwater
PORT-A-GEE
 
those stats BobnDoc are good. at 3100 I am consistently at 18 knots on my 28 (no water, full fuel,some gear, two people, flat water)
 
I am buying a 26, but it is a volvo not a yanmar. The sea trial was last week and the boat maxed out at 16 knots with 4 people on board. That's really all I know, but I will collect more data when I get the boat. I thought the bow rode higher than it should, but I have very little experience upon which to judge.
 
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