Engine charging

JayFusaro

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Fluid Motion Model
C-30 CB
Hull Identification Number
FMLT2910H718
Vessel Name
Grey Lady
My inverter/charger died on my 2018 29CB. I know that the solar panel charges the house battery (90%) and the engine battery (10%). My question is when you are running the engine which batteries does it charge? Does it charge all three banks including the thruster battery? I don’t want to run down any one bank before I get the inverter/charger replaced.
Thank you!
Jay
Grey Lady
2018 RT CB
 
There are relays that will connect all batteries when running the engine. Depending on how your charger is connected it could be direct to each battery bank or via the relays. Depending on how long it may take to get the charger/inverter you could get a battery car charger in the interim. It is not ideal because it may cause a bit of galvanic issues, but short term that is what I would do.
 
Thank you knotflying- I appreciate the answer. I will grab a car battery charger to keep on hand and monitor the voltage in all three banks while I run the engine. With everything off all three banks are reading about 13v (AGM) batteries.
Jay
 
Thank you for that information- I didn’t know that they settle at 12.6v at rest. I appreciate it. My understanding is that if I’m running the engine (diesel) and have both the house and engine battery switches on and the parallel switch on that both the engine and house battery bank will charge. Is that correct?
Also, if running the generator, that will charge the thruster/ generator battery- is that correct?
Thank you!
Jay
 
The parallel switch joins the house bank and engine and should only be used to "jump" the engine battery from the house in the event your engine battery went dead. The relays should automatically join all the batteries when a charge is present and open and close as required. However, if a battery falls between a specific voltage (can't remember the threshold) the relay will not allow charging that battery. This is a safety feature assuming that something is wrong with the battery.
 
Got it- thank you Knotflying!
 
In the past I have written articles on batteries and charging . I will give you the short dissertation.

Very simly put: a fully charged battery after settling while not being charged has 12.6 volts at the terminals, and discharged is about 12.0. They very worst thing you can do to a battery is to put a load on it and run it dead, and leave it that way. The battery will sulfate. Some lead actually gets consumed and there is NO way to put it back externally.
Charging: a modern, 3 stage (or smart) charger starts out at 14.5 volts and crams the maximum current for a few minutes, then shift to 14.2 or so for the bulk charge, then it senses about 90-95% charge and shifts to about 13.2 or so which will fininish to 100% and can be left on the battery forever without boiling.
Buy a decent digital volt-ohm-ammeter. These can be had for $20-30. You can clip it onto the battery and see the above voltages happening. So in the Ranger tugs, with the charging relays, when starting nthe engine, you will see the voltage jump tp about 14.3 or so when they kick in. If they only come to, say, 13.5 that means the battery in question is partly discharged, but the system is working. On my previous boat I bought a regular 2" boat battery gauge, and a 3 position switch (I miss radio shack) so I can watch either battery bank or the selected one. Its in the cabin so i can watch the charger while at a marina or anchored. Present boat has a gauge and its set up on the selected battery.
I have my boat on a trailer in my yard. It's connected to shore (house?) power while here all teh time. I get 6-7 years out of my batteries.
Caveat: the above voltages are for a flooded electrolyte battery. AGM, Gel, lithium and other batteries have slightly different voltages, as well as the ambient temperature causes a difference. however, the charging works the same as above.
Hope y'all got a charge out of this. (pun intended)
 
Thank you for the excellent information! (blank on a pithy puns)
 
Sorry, Jay. I was a teacher for an adult-ed class at a Community college non-credit course. I worked in humor and puns because they paid better attention not wanting to miss any of which.
I like the 1 GPH. I am very familiar with boat related expenses. I have owned 13 of them over 53 years.
 
This thread may have explained a mystery I have. On my 21-EC, my house bank completely discharged after being removed from shore power (I still don’t know why.) When I started the engine, the battery wouldn’t charge. I didn’t have enough power to even run the radio and get home. I had a jump starter from my car, so I hooked it up. Presto! All electronics worked and battery was charging. I immediately removed the jump start and everything still worked. I assume the jump start supplied the charger with the required voltage for it to continue the charge. That got me home and I just need to figure out the original problem.
 
Todd Tugnut":3ajelwjb said:
This thread may have explained a mystery I have. On my 21-EC, my house bank completely discharged after being removed from shore power (I still don’t know why.) When I started the engine, the battery wouldn’t charge. I didn’t have enough power to even run the radio and get home. I had a jump starter from my car, so I hooked it up. Presto! All electronics worked and battery was charging. I immediately removed the jump start and everything still worked. I assume the jump start supplied the charger with the required voltage for it to continue the charge. That got me home and I just need to figure out the original problem.
Correct, the charge was so low the relay would not close to allow a charge the jump brought it to the required voltage and the relay closed and you started to receive a charge. If you had a parallel switch you could have used that to join the engine to the house once you started the engine
 
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