First Oil Change... ouch

ngleadow

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Blue Socks (sold)
Hi all;
I just had my first oil change for the Yanmar 4BY2 150 hp, and what a shock. The cost of the engine zincs, the two fuel filters, oil filter and oil came to $511 (Canadian). When I expressed my concern about the cost of these items.. especially when they were twice the price of the equivalent items in the parts list from Ranger Tugs, I was told that everything is more expensive in Canada, and the prices charged were the official Yanmar prices. The labour was also 3 hours , ($312) for a total bill of over $800. This was with GHarris Diesel in Gibsons B.C.

I am curious if this is the cost that other Canadian owners of Ranger Tugs have experienced for an oil change. I have already decided that I’ll do it myself next time.

Thanks
Norm on “Blue Socks”
 
It is unlikely the fuel filters needed changing, if your first maintenance was at 50 hours. The primary filter should be changed annually, m/b at 100 hrs (if dirty) and ,if dirty, causing engine run problems. The secondary filter, on the engine, seems to last forever, if one keeps up with the primary filter and keeps a clean fuel system. The secondary filter on my first Yanmar, a 1987 model, had 490 plus hours and was never changed.

Ditto, the zincs, they need replacing when worn down.

DIY is the way to go. It's easy to find yourself in a situation where outside help isn't available.

Ranger's prices are best, but you'd have duty to contend with, along with paperwork.

gene
 
I just got hit for $300 to change the gear oil (a ten minute job that uses less than a quart of oil) and clean a screen by a Yanmar authorized place, but the kid that changed the oil was no mechanic. This should be done at the 50 hour mark along with your first oil change. It's not in your Yanmar engine operation manual, because the engine gear is purchased separately–but don't forget to do it. In the black canvas case of "manuals" is a manual covering your gear box telling you it's service intervals. You can download it here by searching for KMH40A; which is the gear model, but you have to pay for it: http://boatdiesel.com/PDFLibrary/Search/index.cfm I can't seem to find a free download on the Yanmar site. Bummer.

If the shop had checked your shaft alignment (takes a few minutes with a feeler gauge) and then had to loosen engine mounts and whatever to realign it, then your cost would not be so bad. Wait, you did have the shop check the alignment–right?

Next time I will change the gear oil myself, as should you, as everything is all exposed in front of you with easy access. Sounds like you still need to do it and check the shaft alignment. I found a loose engine mount and there are other posts about loose screws at the coupling to the gear which need replacing when found loose. Get used to checking this stuff yourself and saving a ton of money.

Every year you need to change the engine zincs (I've posted elsewhere on this on TugNuts). I had the kid do this as it's a two minute job and that was bundled into my $300 fee. However, I was charged $50 per zinc (Oh, joy!) for just the part:
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Even with Canadian duty, how much can this $17 part cost you? I bought it on Boatzincs.com and there are likely comparable Canadian places. Its a bit more, but still way less than $50 to buy it from Ranger. BTW, you need two of them. You can actually just buy the zinc part for about $7 and screw it into the cap when the old zinc disappears.

But, wait there's more! The oil change can be done by any mechanic. But you want to have a receipt proving that you used Yanmar (or equivalent) synthetic oil which costs about $10 per quart. It's not the mechanic, but the oil that's important, make sure it's stated as Yanmar synthetic on the invoice for your records.. My $80/hour yard mechanic did the job in an hour, and most of that is waiting 20 minutes for the engine to run and warm the oil to make if possible to suck out of the engine dipstick. It was a toss-up as to whether I should buy the motorized sucking device to pull out the oil for $150 and then have to store the big thing, or hire a mechanic. Being lazy, I hired the mechanic. The filters get changed at 250 hours as noted by the previous poster. They ain't cheap by any means. And, they are hard to find even from your local distributor as our engines (Yanmars that is) are so darn new–buy them and keep spares as I did from Andrew at Ranger, recently.

I am getting this response from different Yanmar factory authorized mechanics (which we all try to use, at least before the warrantee runs out): "Wow, is that the new common rail thing-a-ma-bob engine? I've never seen one before..." I'm done with them and their high expense as they figure the engine out on my nickle, and now trailering the boat to the distributor who has mechanics who, at least, have seen the engines before!
 
Ahhhh, life on the leading edge of technology....

Denny-0
(who has been hosed for more than 2 grand by Cummins to replace a factory defective part)
 
I recently had the 50 hr gear oil changed in my boat by a Yanmar approved shop. I asked how dirty the filter was and got a "huh..what filter". It had to be done again.
 
I don't know about ya'all, but I like to save money. If you get an oil pump, similar to the following:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...toreNum=10106&subdeptNum=10434&classNum=10440
You can pump out your engine oil and gear oil yourself and pay for the pump the first oil change. You can even change the oil while it is on the trailer in your driveway.

I don't know about the marine gear on the 27, but the marine gear for the 21 does not have a filter.

I am lucky. My local Yanmar service center at Zahniser's Yachting Center at Solomons Island sells the filters for about the same price the factory does, and they had them in stock.
 
The gear oil filter on the 27 doesn't have a replaceable element. You remove it, rinse it in clean oil, and reinstall it. It's a little tough to get at so I have it done, however I change the engine oil and filter myself.
 
Norm, I know your pain. We just took our new R29 in for it's 50 hour service and wondered what the damage would be and ours was a little higher than yours, mostly due to an extra hour of labour. It was $665 in parts for 2 fuel filters & oil and then $425 in labour for 4.25 hours. It looks like the prices you quoted were pretty close but better than what we paid over on the Island

We wondered about getting the boat serviced in Gibsons as it is very close and I know Tim & Kim on Hermitage had good things to say about the service there. Did you feel they were knowledgeable about the boat?

On another note, we wondered if it was your boat tied up at the Government dock in Snug Cove on Bowen a little more than a week ago. It was a BC registered boat but no name on it. It's always great to see another Tugnut out and about and particularly on Bowen. Hope to see you on the water.
 
Boy! They are hitting you guys out there hard on the cost of the service. I do it myself for $225.00 and it takes about 1 1/2 hours. It is all really easy stuff. I am coming up on my third one (500hour) soon. I would be happy to walk anyone through it, if they want. That is on a R-29 I mean.
 
I agree with Stuart, its easy to do it yourself and save a lot of money.
Bob
 
Yeah, even I have been able to do mine with no extra parts left over!!!!! It is very simple to do.
 
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