Fresh Water Pump (Cleaning Filter)?

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Kaptajnen

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The Drawing on Page 25 in the Owner’s Manual for my R-31 refers to the Fresh water pump and says that the “Filter should be inspected and cleaned monthly”.

I found the pump in the compartment where the fresh water pump is located - but no sign of any filter.

Where is it located? (Our hot water stinks and is full of crud so presume the filter is causing this. We have never cleaned it because we can’t find it!

Thank you
 
Our Johnson Aqua Jet pump has a clear plastic fitting with a strainer on the inlet side of the pump. If you have a different pump, then I can't help you on the location of the filter, but if it's only your hot water that has sediment in it, I suspect your water heater needs to be flushed.
 
Your water pump should have a small filter like in this picture of my previous pump that was filled with fiberglass. gallery2.php?g2_itemId=72314

It is on the pump. Not sure this filter is your issue. You probably also have filters at the fixture connections.
 
Hamster":1h2242o8 said:
Your water pump should have a small filter like in this picture of my previous pump that was filled with fiberglass. gallery2.php?g2_itemId=72314

It is on the pump. Not sure this filter is your issue. You probably also have filters at the fixture connections.

That is the one on my boat - the Jabsco Pumpgard 46-400-9500 - mounted in a unaccessible place. Why Ranger mounted it there instead next to the water heater is a question I will ask. I suspect that the “crud” that smelled of burning rubber is from the pump that might be close to failing.

And why did Ranger select this cheap pump for installation on a 400 K boat?
 
Hamster":30rt0nam said:
Your water pump should have a small filter like in this picture of my previous pump that was filled with fiberglass. gallery2.php?g2_itemId=72314

It is on the pump. Not sure this filter is your issue. You probably also have filters at the fixture connections.

That is the one on my boat - the Jabsco Pumpgard 46-400-9500 - mounted in a unaccessible place. Why Ranger mounted it there instead next to the water heater is a question I will ask. I suspect that the “crud” that smelled of burning rubber is from the pump that might be close to failing.
 
That filter cover just screws off. It is on quite tight, so you might think you can't get it off, but you can. Try unscrewing it and cleaning it for a temporary fix at least.

I replaced my pump with that 5 h.p. Johnson. Works much better. Continuous flow. Doesn't pulse or bang. Really like it so far. It is a pretty easy swap. The hose connectors are the same. All you need to do is cut the electrical wires and rewire, remembering to turn the power off to the pump before you cut the wires. Rescrew to the starboard and you are on your way.
 
Hamster":23nv1zmr said:
I replaced my pump with that 5 h.p. Johnson. Works much better. Continuous flow. Doesn't pulse or bang. Really like it so far. It is a pretty easy swap. The hose connectors are the same. All you need to do is cut the electrical wires and rewire, remembering to turn the power off to the pump before you cut the wires. Rescrew to the starboard and you are on your way.

Do you happen to have the Part Number for the Johnson pump. I looked in their catalog, but did not find anything with a 5 h.p. Reference.
 
We replaced our stock Jabsco pump with a Johnson Aqua Jet Flowmaster WPS 5.0 gpm variable flow pump to resolve system noise issues. Each pump has an attached filter which is easily removed for cleaning via PEX quick-connect fittings.

I agree with Brad that you probably need to flush your hot water heater. I annually treat my water system with Clorox and flush system plus flushing hot water tank.
 
scross":nt7vdrbr said:
Just guessing here but I think he was referring to this pump.
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1&id=4011792
It’s a 5.2 Gallons per Minute pump. A 5 HP water pump would be huge and probably blow all your fuses!

LOL! Maybe that is why the circuit blew on my house batteries this weekend! No, I didn't get a 5 HP pump. That would be a bit too much for an R23. It is a 5.0 gallon per minute pump and it is a different model than the link you provided. And, of course, more costly - but in my opinion, worth it.

$212.44 from Bellingham based LFS Marine (Go2 Marine) https://www.go2marine.com/shop-all-cate ... HNSON-PUMP

Or, you can pay more ($290) at Fisheries Supply: https://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson ... ure-system. I do not see this pump listed at First Defender.

Here are the water pump specs:

A revolutionary design, the Flow Master 5.0 is a five-chamber positive displacement diaphragm pump that is an ideal choice for pressurizing water in a closed system such as that found in a boat or recreational vehicles.

The digital controller adjusts water flow as the demand changes while maintaining a constant line pressure and a very smooth flow.
The unique variable flow feature of the Flow Master pump allows the pump to be mounted without an accumulator tank and still maintain an even flow at the fixture, regardless if one or multiple taps are being used.
Always, use a PUMProtector inlet strainer before the pump intake.

• Five-chamber pump head design
• Whisper quiet and pulsation free — even at low speeds
• Maximum flow rate: 5.0 gallons per minute
• Maximum pressure: 51 PSI
• Self-priming to 6 ft
• Can run dry for moderate lengths of time
• Low cost maintenance
• CE approved
• Comes complete with connectors for 1/2" & 3/4" hose and 3/8" & 1/2" British Standard Pipe thread
• Dimensions: 9.5"L x 8.25"W x 4.5"H
• Weight: 4.4 lb
• Motor: WPS 5.0 - 150 W, 12V DC (with built-in thermal protection)
 
“$212.44 from Bellingham based LFS Marine (Go2 Marine) https://www.go2marine.com/shop-all-cate ... HNSON-PUMP”

I bought that and had it installed at Monkeyfist yesterday by a great tech. Due to the inaccessible location it took him two hours working non-stop to get the chinese pump out and install the Johnson pump right under the trapdoor in the floor, where I can now easily inspect the filter.

The new pump runs almost silently and without the “dunk dunk” sound effect of the Chinese pump.

All of this could have been avoided by Ranger Tugs when they assembled the boat.
 
Hello Claus,

I saw emails going back and forth about the TV's yesterday with Tim Bates. Tim had asked several questions including one that asked if you were trying to play a BluRay in the TV as they don't accept those. In regards to the water pump, you most likely purchased a variable rate pump. Had you purchased the Johnson without this, it would sound just like the other. The Johnson pump we used to use actually cost less than the one we use now. The main reason we switched was because their company was going through a restructure where we couldn't obtain parts.

In regards to access, the pump is right under the step and not in a difficult location. The hoses have quick disconnects and four screws to remove if you are replacing the pump. This task is about a 30 minute job with the right tools.

Also, the pumps have a two year warranty so if it was indeed bad, you should still have been covered which we could have assisted with.

As a side note, the Jabsco pumps are manufactured in England and have been around a long time.

Feel free to reach out directly with any questions.
 
Andrew Custis":18jmtfid said:
Hello Claus,

I saw emails going back and forth about the TV's yesterday with Tim Bates. Tim had asked several questions including one that asked if you were trying to play a BluRay in the TV as they don't accept those. In regards to the water pump, you most likely purchased a variable rate pump. Had you purchased the Johnson without this, it would sound just like the other. The Johnson pump we used to use actually cost less than the one we use now. The main reason we switched was because their company was going through a restructure where we couldn't obtain parts.

In regards to access, the pump is right under the step and not in a difficult location. The hoses have quick disconnects and four screws to remove if you are replacing the pump. This task is about a 30 minute job with the right tools.

Also, the pumps have a two year warranty so if it was indeed bad, you should still have been covered which we could have assisted with.

As a side note, the Jabsco pumps are manufactured in England and have been around a long time.

Feel free to reach out directly with any questions.

I have sent you and Tim an email with my response. I also responded to Tim and told him that of course I did not use a Blue Ray disc.

I stand by my comment about the inaccessible location and have sent you a photo showing the contortions a trained mechanic had to go through to reach the pump.
 
The bottom line is the pump installation is poorly located. Unfortunately during the build the manufactures question is not how can we install this pump, battery, hot water heater, shower sump pump, transducer, water tank, fuel tank, oil filter or raw water pump........so that the boat owner or service technician can get at it to repair or replace it? The question the manufacture asks is where will this fit ?

As a service technician I worked on several different brands. I found that the manufactures idea of the best place to install equipment is the easiest and cheapest. It didn't matter Bayliner, SeaRay, Cobalt, Carver,...... It didn't matter what manufacturer. A job that the manufacture says should take 30 minutes could take 4 hours because the idiot that installed the part stripped the heads of the screws or installed it off center, cut the wires to short, hose is run wrong. another variable is the 150 lbs technician can get to it and the 200 lbs technician can't. So the manufacture pays warranty rate based on the 150lbs. Prerequisite for working on our boats (technician weight 150 LBS).

I have repaired, moved, replaced and installed a number of items in my little C26. Fluid Motion (Cutwater) has been called many many foul descriptive words in the heat of the moment. I will be honest every single boat manufacturer that I have had the pleasure of working on the manufacture as been called the same foul descriptive words at some point or time.

I'm not trying to make excuses for the install of the pump, or say your not correct in your disappointment. I fully agree Fluid Motion could and should do a better job in the placement of equipment during the build.

Ranger Tug and Cutwater (Fluid Motion) portrays the company as Customer Service Oriented. The company "had"a following of owners that "had" such a good experience with the purchase, delivery, service, and enjoyment of their boat that they would never purchase another brand. Others not so much. I would say the majority have positive feed back. I wonder why they don't welcome negative feed back? Send surveys out to their owners asking how can we do better? Give us ideas of what we did wrong. What or where would be a better place to install a component. What issues are you experiencing and how do you think it could be resolved ? I don't see this with Fluid Motion. The dealer net work is so small and many dealers are not true service centers so there dealer feed back is marginal. Most of the Ranger and Cutwater owners that I have met are DIY owners with a lot of good feed back. Where does that go? In the case of Claus and Thyrsa the feed back is "
Andrew Custis":2vzriqez said:
In regards to access, the pump is right under the step and not in a difficult location. The hoses have quick disconnects and four screws to remove if you are replacing the pump. This task is about a 30 minute job with the right tools.
As easy as that sounds there are some variables that can change that easy fix to a couple hours. Been there done that on almost every easy fix !!!

Jabsco corporate office is in England many of there fluid moving products are made in England. They have a division called Xylem Most of the Jabsco pumps in the recreational marine industry are made in the Xylem division in China and Mexico. That doesn't mean it is not made to the same standards as a pump made in United States, Germany, England ,Japan...... . Most pump failures are not caused from poor quality manufacturing. If they do fail because of that it usually happens soon after being put into service. Most pump failures are do to install and application.

I'm sure that the service technicians working at Fluid motion agree that many of the install locations and access is poorly done. By repetition the job gets easier but still PIA. I saw a portion of a stern thruster relay replacement ( removal and installation of stern thruster done at the Rendezvous SWF by Kevin. Many of us have done it. He did it quicker than most but he still did not look like he was enjoying it or had the attitude is an easy job and what a good job we did maintaining access to this thruster! Just my opinion!
 
I have purchased a 2012 Cutwater 26 and have been having problems accessing and finding items in the boat.

On the owners manual it shows the hot water heater on the starboard side. I have been having a hard time finding it.

Is it hard to get to or find or am I just stupid and cant seem to find it?

Any help would be appreciated.

A lot of things are placed in hard places to get to and service.

Thanks for any help!
 
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