Fuel gauge reading error

Red Raven":2rp94498 said:
Andrew,

Any idea how much the Webasto heater burns? I assume it wouldn't show up in the Garmin display.

the 3900 at the highest setting burns about .5 Liters per hour.
 
On our R-29 the Webasto furnace draws off a separate tank. There's no need to calculate the fuel usage of the furnace to get an accurate reading of the fuel level in the main tank. It's a great setup. In a low fuel emergency you can transfer fuel from the auxiliary tank to the main tank.
 
Same here. No auxiliary tank.
 
Might be a worthwhile upgrade.
 
For the amount it uses I wouldn't go through the trouble. Just keep track of the usage. Like I said before I always carry way more fuel then needed. Planes you need to worry about Weight and balance so sometimes you carry less fuel to be in the envelope. With my boat I top off whenever I am at 50 gallons.
 
I agree that fueling the boat at 50gallons is the safe way to do it. And for the most part the way we normally use our boats this is easily managed. Weekend trips and day cruises keeping track of 5 or 10 gallons either way doesn't make a difference. I always try to keep a reserve of 20 or 30 gallons on board. My plan is to travel the great Loop , there are areas on this trip that that 5 gallons either way could make you or break you. I have some time to figure it out. My big concern is I have an 80gal tank ,how much useable fuel do I have ? I know there have been many rangers 25 and 27 's that have run the loop , Are there any Cutwaters that have ? Best speed /fuel consumption to travel 250 miles and have reserve fuel . I have come to terms that the boat doesn't have a fuel gauge worth relying on ,and keeping up with a log and using the Garmin is very accurate . Until I get better information I'm using the 10% figure . I have 72gallons of usable fuel .
Brian Brown
26 Cutwater
PORT-A-GEE
 
BB marine":249qzp7v said:
I agree that fueling the boat at 50gallons is the safe way to do it. And for the most part the way we normally use our boats this is easily managed. Weekend trips and day cruises keeping track of 5 or 10 gallons either way doesn't make a difference. I always try to keep a reserve of 20 or 30 gallons on board. My plan is to travel the great Loop , there are areas on this trip that that 5 gallons either way could make you or break you. I have some time to figure it out. My big concern is I have an 80gal tank ,how much useable fuel do I have ? I know there have been many rangers 25 and 27 's that have run the loop , Are there any Cutwaters that have ? Best speed /fuel consumption to travel 250 miles and have reserve fuel . I have come to terms that the boat doesn't have a fuel gauge worth relying on ,and keeping up with a log and using the Garmin is very accurate . Until I get better information I'm using the 10% figure . I have 72gallons of usable fuel .
Brian Brown
26 Cutwater
PORT-A-GEE
You could look into carrying a Fuel Bladder for extensive cruising if fuel stops are an issue.
 
I wonder if like the water tank the fuel tank has vent problems ? Our water tank reads full until I remove the filler cap then I can hear the water gurgle and the gauge will drop to the correct level. The computer on the Garmin is calculating remaining fuel from the metered consumption on the engine so would not be affected ... The older R29 came with a 30 gal tank in the rear if you ordered a generator ... This comes with a transfer pump so it acts as a reserve as well . As said earlier this way the generator and furnace do not affect the fuel for the engine
 
Mark,

You may be right about the water tank, but I think if the vent on the fuel tank was an issue you may have engine performance problems. On my 27 I installed a vent whistle so when filling I know when I am getting near the top. If there was a problem with venting the whistle wouldn't work and mine is loud and clear.
I know some of the 25's have filling issues. On Gansett Ranger I worked with him to raise the vent line coming right out of the tank and made sure there were no dips going to the vent. This seemed to make an improvement when he is refueling.

Sorry, went a little off topic!
 
My water vent works great when I am filling as water shoots out.. But I guess venting the other way the hose collapses . I would think you are correct in saying the engine would die but thought I would throw it out there .
 
Red Raven":1y3ybro7 said:
Andrew,

Any idea how much the Webasto heater burns? I assume it wouldn't show up in the Garmin display.

According to this Webasto FAQ:

Question 4 – How much diesel do the heaters use per hour?
Depending on the heater size, between:
0.12L – 0.24L per hour for the AT 2000STC
0.18L – 0.49L per hour for the AT Evo 40
0.18L – 0.67L per hour for the AT Evo 55
On average a heater needs 100ml diesel per hour, per kW

Cheers,

Bruce
 
Fuel guage sensors don't work right in tanks full of water. Moisture gets inside our diesel fuel tanks from humidity/condensation accumulating right on the inner walls. Water also comes directly from the filling station's diesel fuel tanks. Diesel fuel and water don't mix at all and completely separate into 2 layers. Water is a lot heavier than diesel fuel and just settles, unusable, on the bottom of the tank. The fuel quantity sensor sits low in the fuel tank and only senses the diesel fuel quantity in the tank, and does not see any of the the accumulated water. The fuel guage commonly receives these erroneous readings because of a bottom layer of water. It's not the gauge's fault, analog or digital. The water just causes havoc and needs to be removed for an error free fuel system. Pumping the unwanted water up and out from the very bottom of the fuel tank, through the top fill pipe, will give you more accurate fuel quantity readings and the engine will run efficiently without any water contaminating the fuel system. There's an excellent small pump for this 5 minute job that is sold at Harbor Freight for $5. Just don't drop anything else in the tank except the end of the suction tube to the bottom where the water is. Gasoline car fuel systems are a whole different matter. Gas and ther types of fuels aren't effected by water accumulation nearly as much as with diesel fuel. Also, the smaller a fuel tank, the less likely it is of having this fuel system malfunction in the first place. Keeping a "full-tank" really helps any fuel system stay water free.
- Bill - R-21EC
 
Andrew Custis":14p49bl5 said:
You have to be careful on how these issues can be translated. Each engine manufacturer has a different way to monitor the fuel and how they are programmed. The one thing these all have in commons is that a standard style sender is used in the tank. The sender used is either a Rochester or Wema sender both reading the same range of ohms to measure the tank size. The sender will read 30 ohms in the full position and 240 ohms in the empty position. The size, shape and orientation of the boats fuel tank does matter and will provide different readings. Here is a short outline of how the sender works with the different engine packages.

1. Volvo Engines
a. Volvo is based off a calibration to setup the sending unit when the engine is first installed.
b. You have two ways that this calibration can be performed.
c. The first way is called an "empty/full" calibration. This is a simple calibration that you do through the Volvo control display that you tell the Volvo when the tank is empty (or sender is placed in the empty position). Then, you tell it when it is full and it uses that calibration.
d. The second way to calibrate is a multi point calibration which is not how we calibrate at the factory. You would have to start with an empty tank and fill in 5 gallon increments to tell the Volvo each time 5 gallons is put in until full.

2. Yanmar BY Series engines
a. These engines are a plug and play and require no programming to make the sender work. It is pre set to be a standard style gauge reading or European style which we do not use for our ohm range senders.

We have seen many times where a computer or update is done to the Volvo where it will wipe out these calibrations and you have to reprogram the fuel sender or it magically disappears which might have happened with Mark's boat. All of our new models have the fuel sender accessible where it could be removed and programmed if you questioned the way it was calibrated and just to be sure. You would undo the bolts holding the sender in and go into the Volvo control and perform a new fuel calibration holding the sender to the empty and full settings. Pretty easy to do and a good verification.

Personally, I never rely on any fuel sender (and that goes for every single boat I have owned). The senders work but not knowing the exact fuel has always worried me. Fortunately for you Volvo and most Yanmar owners, you have a way to monitor the fuel used on the Garmin which is taking the fuel burn provided from the engines. The garmin calculates the fuel used from the engine monitor and gives you a remaining gallon feature which is very accurate. This setting does require you to update each time you add fuel but will be within a couple of gallons if done right. You can search another thread I did on here about fuel programming to see the steps to do that.

Greetings Andrew,

When removing the fuel tank sending unit as describe above for calibration, is there a certain type of sealant required for reinstallation?

Thanks,
Gary
 
Hey there!

The fuel tank senders utilize a rubber gasket with some thread type sealant on the screws.

Thank you!
 
I rely on the Yanmar to tell the truth. They are never wrong as long as I check the fuel gauge with engine off...calm water. Woks like a charm.
 
Andrew Custis":bo0uvfed said:
Hey there!

The fuel tank senders utilize a rubber gasket with some thread type sealant on the screws.

Thank you!

Thanks Andrew,

Seems like the tank gauge is stuck on "full", thought I'd pull the sender out and see what gives...
 
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