Internet for the Boat LTE/5G - Installation

Thanks for sharing all the additional info. I’m going to make do with the phone hotspot for now but an external antenna is on the “do some day” list and this will help.
 
Hi Martin, appreciate all your info on boat Internet, wifi, cellular, etc. Having recently acquired a 2020 R-29CB, I am still wrapping my mind around this topic among the entire boat electronics package. I am planning a number of upgrades with the goal of completing prior to this years prime boating season, which in my plan starts May 1.

I am planning to install Starlink, but having reviewed your posts and the fact that the boat has no current wifi router, I am wondering if I should also be pursing something along the lines of the Peplink wifi router and 42g antenna you have installed on your boat as well. I'm trying not to get into the weeds technically too deep, so let me throw out a few goals and perhaps you or others will have some thoughts.

Primary goals:
Good Internet Access - movie streaming, laptop, tablet and phone usage

Good phone Coverage - can I achieve that through my Starlink, or do I really need a boosted antenna configuration such as your Peplink combo. For 2024, we plan to do all Ranger Tug events, our own Canada trips and the Puget Sound and San Juan's, so we want to maintain decent phone and internet coverage, but not necessarily have to use Starlink or grumble if there are a lot of dead spots without Starlink use.

Maintain access to boat monitoring systems - boat security and bilge monitoring for sure. Mostly while in our Tacoma mooring away from boat.

Minimize or best manage on-going costs including cellular, hotspots and Starlink. I can't say I am excited about maintaining both a Starlink and Hotspot(s) service concurrently, if I can maintain only one or the other, except for maybe a big multi-week adventures. (I realize I can do month-to-month on Starlink but is that practical?)
 
luckydog":2ov5ao85 said:
Hi Martin, appreciate all your info on boat Internet, wifi, cellular, etc. Having recently acquired a 2020 R-29CB, I am still wrapping my mind around this topic among the entire boat electronics package. I am planning a number of upgrades with the goal of completing prior to this years prime boating season, which in my plan starts May 1.

I am planning to install Starlink, but having reviewed your posts and the fact that the boat has no current wifi router, I am wondering if I should also be pursing something along the lines of the Peplink wifi router and 42g antenna you have installed on your boat as well. I'm trying not to get into the weeds technically too deep, so let me throw out a few goals and perhaps you or others will have some thoughts.

Primary goals:
Good Internet Access - movie streaming, laptop, tablet and phone usage

Good phone Coverage - can I achieve that through my Starlink, or do I really need a boosted antenna configuration such as your Peplink combo. For 2024, we plan to do all Ranger Tug events, our own Canada trips and the Puget Sound and San Juan's, so we want to maintain decent phone and internet coverage, but not necessarily have to use Starlink or grumble if there are a lot of dead spots without Starlink use.

Maintain access to boat monitoring systems - boat security and bilge monitoring for sure. Mostly while in our Tacoma mooring away from boat.

Minimize or best manage on-going costs including cellular, hotspots and Starlink. I can't say I am excited about maintaining both a Starlink and Hotspot(s) service concurrently, if I can maintain only one or the other, except for maybe a big multi-week adventures. (I realize I can do month-to-month on Starlink but is that practical?)

Cost wise… I turn off Starlink billing for the months I’m not using it. $150/month when active, $0/mo when inactive. Cellular doesn’t let you do that. It’s $50/mo year round.

I get all my boat monitoring (battery SOC, solar, etc) and my security cameras and motion sensors all run thru cellular. I primarily use cellular and with the Peplink 42g and Peplink router, in the San Juan’s and Puget sound I get decent coverage. As long as you have internet, you can make a voice call. (VoLTE voice over LtE). This is why I’m not a fan of cell boosters. Data is more important. Cellular has a limit of about 22 miles. Starlink doesn’t. I primarily bought Starlink for SE Alaska and Canada.

Starlink also has an unlimited data plan whereas cellular is limited to 50gb with T-Mobile. So during boating season if I’m working from the boat a lot, I’ll bring out Starlink to leverage its unlimited data plan. Because I haven't permanently mounted Starlink on my boat, it's easy to bring the dish home and store in the garage.

Peplink released a new antenna, similar to the 42g but it sticks onto your window. Makes install temporary. Easy to put up and take down. Might be a good alternative. But I know a big part of the success I’m having with internet on the boat is because I placed that 42g antenna up on the mast with a 360 degree view high above the boat.

Feel free to give me a call to discuss.

I have a Roku connected to our TV and we stream YouTube on the boat.

If you’re asking my opinion, the Peplink router and 42g goes in first. Then run an Ethernet cable for Starlink to add whenever you want it the future. Use a single cell carrier in the Peplink router. T-mobile is who’d I’d recommend. Add Starlink when you head to the Broughtons or Desolation Sound. It's impractical to run Starlink on a boat 24x7 in my opinion. Especially if you're going down the highway on a trailer or if you're in a covered slip. The power requirements of Starlink being 60+ watts makes it impractical to run 24x7 on the boat without shorepower in my opinion. The LTE router draws about 6 watts.

I spent months (literally) debating how I could get the performance out of that antenna without the hassle of mounting it. The easiest way I found was to just mount it on the mast. After running the boat to SE Alaska and back, through Johnstone Strait and Clarence strait, with as much water we saw going over the boat, that clamshell connection with 8 antennas thru it did not leak a drop. Often times when my phone said "no-service", I found that I had 3-7mbs of data through the Peplink router/42G antenna and could make phone calls and txt photos to friends.

(I could probably help with mounting that antenna and router on a rt29.)


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Martin,

Thanks for your response, very helpful. You have a wealth of knowledge with these boats and systems. I noticed in one of your posts, mention of Doug Miller, i am taking his seminar over the boat show this Friday, so anticipate making final purchase decisions on the boat upgrades, but I am heavily leaning in your direction and like the idea of using the cell network. I have already purchased Starlink, so that will go in as well, but like you I just want to use it in prime cruising and it sounds like Canada is a need it area.

I have someone lined up to help with equipment installs, but I may touch base again on the Peplink, that may be the grey area of knowledge where I need help. Your insight is good on power draw and glad we are putting in a Victron monitor as I think that will help us keep tabs on charge levels which I am a little concerned about given upgrades.

I'll recognize you from your Youtube channel, if you're at the Seattle show and we cross paths, I'll reach out in person.

Thanks again,

Chris
 
luckydog":ks4kwfdg said:
Martin,

Thanks for your response, very helpful. You have a wealth of knowledge with these boats and systems. I noticed in one of your posts, mention of Doug Miller, i am taking his seminar over the boat show this Friday, so anticipate making final purchase decisions on the boat upgrades, but I am heavily leaning in your direction and like the idea of using the cell network. I have already purchased Starlink, so that will go in as well, but like you I just want to use it in prime cruising and it sounds like Canada is a need it area.

I have someone lined up to help with equipment installs, but I may touch base again on the Peplink, that may be the grey area of knowledge where I need help. Your insight is good on power draw and glad we are putting in a Victron monitor as I think that will help us keep tabs on charge levels which I am a little concerned about given upgrades.

I'll recognize you from your Youtube channel, if you're at the Seattle show and we cross paths, I'll reach out in person.

Thanks again,

Chris


Check out this photo...
https://www.letsgochannelsurfing.co...c9c0_dc7965657b774ba1b4e93b5ab85d140fmv2.jpeg

We were 16 miles away from Hoonah, Alaska, in Icy Strait, heading west. (We were on our way to Hoonah, from Juneau). Janet in Lemondrop needed to make a phone call but had no service on her cell (Verizon). We slowed down to 7 knots, she pulled up along side me, connected her phone via WIFI to Channel Surfing, and made her call home (via cellular ATT).

We leveraged this feature a lot on our trip. We would be anchored in the middle of nowhere, I would bring out Starlink, and Janet, anchored 500 ft away from us would connect via WIFI to Channel Surfing and would be on the Internet.

I worked a lot with Doug Miller on my Peplink setup. He's the one who kept saying "put it on your mast" and I kept saying "but that's a lot of work..." Doug was right.

I will be at the boat show. You can find me at the Ranger Tug booth. They've also got my cell number and can give me a call if I'm out wandering around.
 
Cutwater28GG":2lc0hwms said:
Martin,
why not use the MAX BR1 Mini 5G vs the BR1 5G?

The Mini doesn't have GPS or WIFI. GPS you could live without. But without WIFI, you're not connecting your phone or tablet to it, and a laptop would require an ethernet cable.

I am a HUGE proponent of integrated WIFI into the router and to have a decent WIFI antenna.

On our SE Alaska trip, Lemondrop was 500 ft away, anchored, connected via her cellphone (android) to Channel Surfing via WIFI and was able to leverage LTE and Starlink on Channel Surfing. This proved to be a valuable resource for us being in the middle of nowhere, where it's either VHF or Satellite... I could put up the Starlink dish and then Janet (Lemondrop) and us could talk privately on Facebook messenger, instead of over VHF.

You could always buy an WiFI access point and plug it into the Mini above. But that WIFI access point will consume another 6+ watts, doubling the power requirements.

This is another reason why I prefer the Mobility 42G over the Maritime 20G or 40G antennas. The 42G has WIFI antennas and 4 LTE antennas. The Maritime 40G is 4xLTE and GPS, without WIFI. But you could then buy a Maritime 20G and use it for a WIFI antenna (requiring twice the roof top space).

I really like having my WIFI antenna boosted (+5dbi at 2.4ghz and +7.5di gain at 5ghz) as that helps with marina guest wifi (that I piggy back on, like at Kingston, WA), and also helps other boats I'm traveling with leverage Internet connectivity on Channel Surfing as described above.

As a cost saving solution... Someone could do the MAX BR1 Pro (CAT-20) with a Mobility 22G antenna. (2xLTE, 2xWIFI, 1xGPS). That'll save several hundred dollars.

Their new slim line of antennas that stick to the inside of your window also look interesting to me.
https://www.peplink.com/products/accessories/slim-antenna-series/
 
Thanks Martin for all the great information. I’m thinking about adding the 42G Peplink antenna and router system to my 31 sedan. We already have T-Mobile for our cell service and I’m wondering if we would need to add an additional line or could our existing cell plan work? We currently have their 55+ plan which is pretty cost-effective for two lines.
 
An additional question is, how is your chart plotter accessing the GPS feed from the 42g
 
MechGuy":vpah4oir said:
Add additional question is, how is your chart plotting accessing the GPS feed from the 42g?
I didn’t do it that way.

I ran the gps antenna in the 42g into the Pepwave router.

The Pepwave has a cloud dashboard (insight) that tracks the boats whereabouts, like LoJack.


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MechGuy":sbu74o9e said:
Thanks Martin for all the great information. I’m thinking about adding the 42G Peplink antenna and router system to my 31 sedan. We already have T-Mobile for our cell service and I’m wondering if we would need to add an additional line or could our existing cell plan work? We currently have their 55+ plan which is pretty cost-effective for two lines.
The Pepwave router needs its own SIM card and mobile hotspot 50gb/mo plan for $50/mo. It’s another line on my T-Mobile plan.


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I'm trying to decide what Peplink to install on my Cutwater 28. I already use a Balance 20X at home to balance and failover across DSL, Starlink, and LTE.

My criteria are:
2 SIM, and Wifi LAN, and WiFi as WAN. Option for possible future Ethernet WAN.

Connectivity will largely be LTE/5G at home in the San Juans and roaming in Canada. I want WiFI WAN to either use 1) Marina WiFI if available and performant and 2) Occasional use of the Starlink Mini with built in WiFi if desperate. The Mini wouldn't be a permanent installation, so double NAT behind its WiFi would be okay when needed.

https://compare.peplink.com/?series=max ... -5GN-T-PRM

I'm considering going straight to the Max HD1 Pro Dome, and removing the current TV antenna. This eliminates the need for separate external antenna and more wires through the mast. Future ethernet WAN option could be added through an additional license.

Has anyone else considered the dome vs those requiring external antennas?
 
GunkHoling":3fa73ucs said:
I'm trying to decide what Peplink to install on my Cutwater 28. I already use a Balance 20X at home to balance and failover across DSL, Starlink, and LTE.

My criteria are:
2 SIM, and Wifi LAN, and WiFi as WAN. Option for possible future Ethernet WAN.

Connectivity will largely be LTE/5G at home in the San Juans and roaming in Canada. I want WiFI WAN to either use 1) Marina WiFI if available and performant and 2) Occasional use of the Starlink Mini with built in WiFi if desperate. The Mini wouldn't be a permanent installation, so double NAT behind its WiFi would be okay when needed.

https://compare.peplink.com/?series=max ... -5GN-T-PRM

I'm considering going straight to the Max HD1 Pro Dome, and removing the current TV antenna. This eliminates the need for separate external antenna and more wires through the mast. Future ethernet WAN option could be added through an additional license.

Has anyone else considered the dome vs those requiring external antennas?

I recently did an install on an RT29 for Peplink router, Mobility 42G antenna and Starlink.
I built a shelf inside a dome to house the router and 42G antenna. I ran 16AWG wire (+ and -) and an ethernet cable from the dome down the mast, into the boat (installed a new clamshell on the starboard side of the boat, at the base of the mast).

4xLTE antenna, 2xWIFI antenna, 1x GPS antenna, and the router, all contained within a dome that sits in the spot the TV antenna used to sit. For Starlink, I converted it to use 12volt directly, and to use the Peplink router.
 
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