New R-27

Buzzardsbay81

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Hey everyone,
Figured I would pop on here and join the group. We just attended the Newport Boat show and fell in love with the new R-27! It has just the right room for all of us and actually fits our budget which is rare. I do have a few questions though. We live on Buzzards Bay which is like boating in a washing machine most of the time, between the tides and eternal southwesterlies at 20knts and more it gets pretty gnarly, so how do the R-27s handle in following and head seas?
How do you all like the outboard? This is the only point I'm really not fully on board with for the 27, but maybe I'm old fashioned!
Any other things I should know? We are a family of 4 with two small kids, we plan on cruising most of new england as possible and maybe someday trying to do the intracoastal, we will probably keep her on the hook most of the time in a fairly protected spot.
Look forward to hearing from you all!
 
Welcome to the Ranger Tug family. I have the R25SC on Narragansett Bay in RI which has similar conditions.The 27 will easily handle just about anything Buzzards Bay can throw at her. I often say these boats can handle more than the crew can. The past two years there has been a tug rendezvous at Pope's Island Marina in New Bedford. Keep an eye on this site next year for the announcement of next year's rendezvous, hope you can attend.
I'm sure those with the O/B version will chime in.
 
I feel so lucky that I got the outboard. You can still go slow, but there are times when going fast is convenient. And this boat is just so smooth at 28 mph. Really fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcQ0kLfIVnA
 
Ditto on the outboard. Very smooth at high speeds. I top out at 37 mph. Having said that i agree cruising at 12-15 is what it is all about. Nice to have when you need it. I have only had outboards so biased but seems like less maintenance and potential issues. I will brace for opposite views from the diesel folks but to each his own!
 
I cruise my R-27/OB at 30 to 38 mph when there's calm waters and no more than a 1 foot chop. At these speeds the R-27/OB is very stable and feels solid but does require some wheel effort turning when at speed. The F300 motor has tons of thrust (you can feel this with your bum meter when pushing the throttle lever forward and passengers will be very aware of this as well) and likes to run at and above 4500 RPM without any hesitation. I can achieve around 2 miles per gallon running at some 32 mph and engine at 4800 RPM in calm waters. The F300 can push the R-27/OB up to around 42 mph with engine at some 5800 RPM using some 1.7 miles per gallon.... again in calm waters. It is a fun boat to cruise in at high speeds but much care needs to be taken keeping a sharp eye lookout as at these high speeds things can happen very quickly.

Now having said all this above, one must mention how this R-27/OB will handle in rougher water conditions, such as 3+ foot waves, swells, following seas and wind. If these conditions are prevalent in your typical boating the R-27/OB will have to be slowed down.

Slowing down to say 10 mph in gnarly conditions (as you've mentioned) the F300 will be turning at around 2500 RPM and be burning 3 gallons per hour and doing some 2 miles per gallon. At this speed the R-27/OB will be bouncy, possibly uncomfortable and noise from water slapping the planing hull will be noticeable and this could be irritating for you. Compare this with a Ranger Tug R-29S with its semi-displacement hull and 300 HP Volvo inboard diesel (yes, it's some $60K to $80K more expensive) running in same water conditions just mentioned for the R-27/OB running at 10 mph and the difference in speed and comfort will be very different. The R-29S will easily outrun the R-27/OB's 10 mph while providing a much better and more comfortable ride.

Thus, if your water conditions are constantly 'gnarly' (as you've mentioned you will be having to deal with) a semi-displacement hull such as the R-29S has will give you a faster cruise speed with improved comfort and comparable fuel burn compared to the R-27/OB.

When I select to cruise in my PNW area with my R-27/OB I tend to select times when there little more than 1 to 2 foot waves and light winds so I can cruise at 30 to 38 mph with a comfortable ride with its planing hull. With a semi-displacement hull I would not be concerned at all with 3+ wave heights at all. In other words, the attention to weather and water conditions are far more important to be considered for using the R-27/OB with its planing hull compared to say the R-29S with its semi-displacement hull. In calm waters the R-27/OB will easily outpace the R-29S, but with bad/worse 'gnarly' water conditions the R-29S will outpace the R-27/OB and provide a much better and more comfortable ride.

Don't misunderstand me here.... the R-27/OB will handle most water conditions but care has to be taken when things get 'gnarly' and the boat needs to be slowed down.

Engine maintenance advice for you....
Make sure you have a nearby Yamaha F300 shop or whatever outboard model your R-27/OB comes with. The boat will need to be hauled out for engine servicing at the first 20 hrs of use and periodically thereafter.

I was recently (past two weeks) in Alaska - Kodiak Island and most of the smaller fishing boats were all Alu construction with twin 350 HP outboards on them... Yamaha and Suzuki brands. I went out with two of my grandchildren and my 7 yr old Wire Hair Fox Terrier on a 12' beam Trophy II all-Alu boat with 2x 350 HP Suzuki outboards for 5 hrs in maybe 1 to 2 foot chop and light winds to get close look at wildlife along shorelines and out further to get a close look at hump back whales and Orcas. The Captain pushed his boat along at a good clip of around 32 mph at times and the boat was awesomely stable with a huge roaster spewing out from the stern. This Captain typically takes fishermen out for day tours and charges some $300 for the first hr and then reduces it to $200 per hr thereafter as the twin Suzuki engines drink the fuel in a hurry when going between fishing ground areas. These Kodiak boats beat the heck out of their outboards and they live up to the task. I suspect the widespread use of outboards on the fishing boats is that engine maintenance is easier and less costly than for inboard engines.

Having an outboard is awesomely useful for controlling stern movements especially when docking. The R-27/OB has a bow thruster but there's no stern thruster so the outboard has to service controlling where the stern moves to. I have placed a red line on my Yamaha F300's cowling so it's immediately obvious to me for knowing the direction the engine is pointing.
 
Others have commented well on the performance of a semi-displacement versus a full planing hull. The only way you will get real input is to find someone who is willing to take you out for a ride in a three-foot chop. Please don't buy a boat until you have done that. You are investing a lot of money!

One other thought that you may want to consider. You mentioned that you are a 4 person family with 2 small children. How long do you expect to keep the boat? Unless you have ample financial resources it could well be that you are looking at 5 to 6 years. My experience is that "small children" grow into bigger children who may not be so happy to sleep on a converted dining table. Before you opt to purchase any boat, whether or not it is a Ranger Tug, could I suggest that you set up this secondary sleeping arrangement and try it out for your self?
 
I have slept on my R-27/OB's stateroom berth with its lowered dinette table and found it kind of OK. I slept on it with my 10 yr old grandchild alongside me and it was a tight fit and comfort was not that tremendous. The 10 yr old slept soundly but as a side sleeper I found it to be questionable. I had the grandchild sleep on the cabin wall side for fear he would fall off into/onto the cabin gangway.

The Cave area if not used for storage can accommodate a small child if they are not bothered with being closed in.

The forward saloon V-berth has rather hard cushions and suspect most people would need a softer cushion to be more comfortable. I've actually used the V-berth having two adults and a small child sleeping there without too much trouble... along with my Wire Hair Fox Terrier who simply squeezed in where he could. 🙂 :roll:
 
A word about child safety when speeding along in the R-27/OB....

When at speed make sure children have their life jackets on when they're in the cockpit. The R-27/OB does not have cockpit surrounding side rails and as Captain at the helm looking forward a child can easily go overboard quietly and be unnoticed.

Children love to be in the cockpit as the allure of having wind blowing their hair and watching the stern wake is irresistible to them.

Please take care with small unattended children in the R-27/OB's cockpit when speeding along at 30+ mph.
 
Could not agree more. Our rule is all children where life jackets in the cockpit area. Adult is always out there when a child is back there. My grandkids are used to it. I have them where a life jacket on our dock while fishing and tell them it is more for grandpa than it is for them. I cannot relax if they are standing near water without the jacket on.
 
Matty":8gbhpolk said:
Could not agree more. Our rule is all children where life jackets in the cockpit area. Adult is always out there when a child is back there. My grandkids are used to it. I have them where a life jacket on our dock while fishing and tell them it is more for grandpa than it is for them. I cannot relax if they are standing near water without the jacket on.

In Rhode Island the law states "Children under 13 years of age must wear a USCG–approved PFD while underway in a recreational vessel less than 65 feet in length unless below deck or in an enclosed cabin."
 
My wife and I are in the same boat as we hope to make a purchase next year or so. We plan on sea trailing several boats before making a decision and also plan and chartering a boat we like and taking some refresher certification classes that would allow us to charter in the future if need be.

I was a diesel tech on yachts in my younger years. We plan on cruising from our part time home on Friday Harbor, which means Alaska... oh yeah🙂 There is a very good post here about the difference between semi and plaining hulls. In the PacWest there is a lot of floating debris. Every time we've been out we have encountered it. For me I do not want an outboard for all the reasons mentioned in another post. It's a personal choice and I can certainly see why those that choose them do so.

We want to be prepared for rough seas. Slowing down the outboard FD hull is not where the engine likes to be run and you will actually use more fuel at ineffeciant speeds. These OB engines like to be run hard at high RPM's. It the best thing for the engine. That being said I personally have no desire to run at over 30mph in these waters. I can see it for needing to get somewhere really fast.

If we can we'll choose an R29 with a diesel. But... I've yet to sea trail an OB, so who knows. The diesel can still go fast in rough seas and move along quick enough if needed be but also just linger along at slow speeds.
I think it's a win-win. I wish Ranger would still offer the diesel in the R27.


I used to work with Yamaha, on the motorcycle side of things, 4-strokes changed everything. They are super reliable now but require a lot of maintenance. Much more than most diesels. Not saying that is a bad thing and the new 4-strokes last a long time so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about here. I used to deal with racing motors, we had to tear those apart weekly and they are a pain in the ass compared to 2-stroke racing engines.

I'd much rather see a Ranger OB using a 2-stroke but that's another story. Sorry, getting off topic. I'm sure I'd be all smiles wiping along with my outboard... that's what worries me...haha... They are all great boats and as we all know.... we're talking boats... so money... well... yeah🙂 PS... I don't consider myself a "diesel" guy🙂 I worked on diesels for many years in my business and for the most part they only required preventative maintenance. If the owners took care of then and used them, that's the biggie they last forever. I don't have experience with the outboards in this regard yet.
 
I have an 4-stroke Honda OB and don't think the maintenance is much at all. I've had a Yamaha OB too. Change the powerhead oil, the lower unit oil every hundred hours or so. The impeller can go for 200 hours. There are a couple of fuel filters that get changed every few hundred hours.

The lower unit oil and impeller requires removal of the lower unit which means the boat has to be out of the water. But you can do both on the lift in under an hour.

With the outboard you can clear or even replace the propeller while the boat is in the water without getting wet.
 
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