New to Ranger...Maybe

tomp

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Looking for some input...likely the audience here may be biased.

A couple of years ago I bought my first boat. I live in the Pacific Northwest and decided it was finally time to start seeing it from a different perspective. It was a fantastic decision and one that I don't think I will ever regret. My first trip up to Desolation last summer was magical.

I have had my eye on Rangers since I first started to hang around my home marina.

I have begun to get more serious about buying, and with 2 teenage boys figured I will focus my search on a 31 CB.

I had an occasion to speak with a couple of boat salesmen who operate out of the marina and they were scathing in their comments about the Ranger. I can sum it up by saying that they were all look, but no longevity. Told me if I did buy to buy new and sell fast because they have no re-sale. Scared the hell out of me.

Now at the risk of starting an avalanche of threats to the two guys, can I get some different perspective please!

Thanks folks,
 
It’s regrettable a boat broker would propagate such false information. There are many owners of Ranger Tugs who have owned two, three or four Ranger Tugs. We started with an R27 we had for almost 6 years, sold it and bought an R29S. Speaking for myself I can emphatically state that I bought my 2nd Ranger Tug because of there unsurpassed service, helpful and positive attitude, better then most boats for resale value and quality. Don’t get me wrong things on boats go wrong, on all boats including Ranger Tugs....it’s how a problem or situation is taken care of that really counts. I was so confident in the company that I never even took an R29S out for a sea trial until we took delivery of our boat in Des Moines Washington. I’m sure others will give there opinions and experiences but for me I’d walk away from the fellows you talked with.

Jim F
 
Any NEW Boat, Airplane or Truck take a resale dump, but the Ranger Tug line seems to hold their value after that first dump. These Boats are well build and design use of space is remarkable. Betcha these salesmen have never owned or operated a Ranger Tug...
 
I'm 100% in agreement with Jim F.

I'm about to have my 4th Ranger Tug (2010 R25 Classic owned for 6 years, 2016 R-21EC owned for 20 months, 2018 R27/OB owned for 14 months and a 2019 R29 CB within next month) and all I can say is that these boats are an awesome investment for all the reason Jim F has mentioned. For me, the fact that the RT factories are all in my local area does make me a bit biased but for those owning RT models in all parts of the USA and worldwide I've yet to read/hear the issues you've mentioned you were told in your OP.

Oh.... and I'm not alone having purchased 4 Ranger Tug models as there are others here that have done this and many have purchased two and three models over the years. This type of continued ownership for the RT models speaks for itself.
 
The Ranger Tug is a good choice. We purchased our first one in 2007 and upgraded in 2008. Both of these of these decisions were great. Our 2007 was a R25 and our 2008 is a R29. I’ve boated my whole life and these have been the best boats I’ve even owned. very few maintenance issues and all were minor.

Bob and Nita
 
I was just having dinner with a friend last night who is considering a R27 and we both commented on how well the resale values hold up for boats in the 2010 - 2018 range.

frankly i think the other manufacturers are annoyed at the success of the ranger!
 
Check out any used boat site on the web or in boating magazines and you will see the resale prices of Ranger Tugs. They hold their value very well. Our R29 is a 2012 and it is still in like new condition. We've needed only routine maintenance on the boat, no quality issues at all. I retired from the Coast Guard, and have seen a lot of boats, and I don't think any are a better value than Ranger Tugs. I suspect the salesmen you met were trying to steer you toward a brand that they sell.
 
Yeah, I'm guessing they were trying to scare you away from looking... 'cause if you look, you're going to want one. And that is a sale they will lose. Too bad they can't be forthright and encouraging. I'd be very leery about buying from either of them, regardless of the brand(s) they sell.
 
I’d be more concerned about where to sleep 3 or 4 people for more than a weekend trip. The guest sleeping space is limited on a ranger.

Resale is better than average reflecting a good design.


Stuart Bell
Ranger 25: Shearwater
(561) 352-1796
 
tomp":1unt0v1c said:
Looking for some input...likely the audience here may be biased.

A couple of years ago I bought my first boat. I live in the Pacific Northwest and decided it was finally time to start seeing it from a different perspective. It was a fantastic decision and one that I don't think I will ever regret. My first trip up to Desolation last summer was magical.

I have had my eye on Rangers since I first started to hang around my home marina.

I have begun to get more serious about buying, and with 2 teenage boys figured I will focus my search on a 31 CB.

I had an occasion to speak with a couple of boat salesmen who operate out of the marina and they were scathing in their comments about the Ranger. I can sum it up by saying that they were all look, but no longevity. Told me if I did buy to buy new and sell fast because they have no re-sale. Scared the hell out of me.

Now at the risk of starting an avalanche of threats to the two guys, can I get some different perspective please!

Thanks folks,

The first question is what style, manufacturer, and model boats are they comparing the Tug to? The next question is what information are the salesman using to make these statements? The question of longevity can't really be answered yet with a Ranger Tug. The Ranger line for the most part is new to the market with the exception of the Martini and R21. R25 entered the market 2007,R29 2009, R27 2011, R31 2012. A 10 year old boat that had a suggested retail price over 200K that is maintained, longevity should not be questioned. If it is walk away from it. The cost of a 29 Ranger in 2011 or 31 in 2012 Ranger and its resale value today is in line with most products in that price range. There are a few elements that positively help maintain the resale value of earlier Rangers. 1) design, trailerable, market niche, Diesel power plant 2) Production, from 2008 to 2012 the production of pleasure crafts was down. The country was in one of the worst economies most of us ever experienced. The used boat market is good because there is large void from low production between 2008 and 2012. 3) This is my opinion. When production levels are down quality goes up and when production levels are high quality goes down. There is a large market of buyers looking for used boats right now and there are limited amounts of them out there. Supply and demand keep the resale value up.

Longevity is maintained by quality construction and materials used to build the boat. Longevity is increased greatly by good maintenance and care of a boat. I'm interested in what products the salesman sell. I can honestly say I have never had a Marine Salesman say a negative comment about Ranger or Cutwater. To question longevity of a boat that the oldest it could be is 7 years old (R31) I would want to hear some facts backing the statements.

( My opinion) Ranger and Cutwater have increased their demographics of boat Buyer by introducing the outboard models, along with a strong economy the production levels have increased. Fluid Motion has a small dealer Network through out US and Canada and most selling other product lines along with Ranger and Cutwater so they are busy and understaffed.Unfortunately the Maine industry is in need of more quality trained technicians.When the boat leaves the building from the build it needs to have the same quality that Ranger was known for or there will be more Salesman commiserating about the product. For every one customer you please you gain another customer. For every one customer you disappoint you loose 10.

Do your home work if buying a used Ranger Tug, Price, condition and maintenance records. If your purchasing a new Tug be familiar with the systems before your purchase, do some research, read topics related to the R31 on Tugnuts, Its a large purchase so go see a build at the factory. The more knowledge you have about the boat you are purchasing the less surprises you will have. Do your homework and you will not go wrong with purchasing the Fluid Motion Product.
 
Interesting thread. The resale value is of course easily verifiable, there are lots of data available. Why would you value the opinion of someone you just met on a dock when you can check the data? My impression is that RTs hold their value pretty well, certainly better than the "SeaRay" class of power boats. What interests me is that several of the tugnuts on here have traded their RTs within 12-24 months, for another one. Sometimes several times. That does seem a bit unusual for boat owners in general. Anyone have an insight as to why that is?

Cheers, Roger Ware
Kingston, ON
2012 Cutwater 28
 
aintmissb":3ifdibir said:
...snip...What interests me is that several of the tugnuts on here have traded their RTs within 12-24 months, for another one. Sometimes several times. That does seem a bit unusual for boat owners in general. Anyone have an insight as to why that is?

Cheers, Roger Ware
Kingston, ON
2012 Cutwater 28

The answer from me is: changing requirements, changing life style, health situations, speed and performance differences, need for more room, expanding extended family - grandkids, pleasure/fun.
 
To ROGERS question of trading for another RT. A fair number of new owners are first time boaters and have found, after a short time, they really like the lifestyle and move up in size. Others, that I know, have had life changing events such as marriage, death, grandkids, etc and find they want or need to move up or down in size. We had an R27 for almost 6 years and changed to an R29S because we just thought it was the right time for resale value and we did not have grandkids when we originally purchased the R27.

Jim F
 
Tomp:
I've had my 2008 Ranger Tugs R-25 for 9 seasons. I bought it "new", as a demo boat, and have been very satisfied with its performance and longevity. I take good care of it and it has performed admirably. My wife and I will soon be in the market for a larger boat and will likely purchase another Ranger Tug. Good luck with your research.

Rodney
 
aintmissb":2hvgt2u9 said:
Interesting thread. ...snip... What interests me is that several of the tugnuts on here have traded their RTs within 12-24 months, for another one. Sometimes several times. That does seem a bit unusual for boat owners in general. Anyone have an insight as to why that is?

Cheers, Roger Ware
Kingston, ON
2012 Cutwater 28

One of the reasons for trading in a RT boat to the RT company at a point when the resale is profitable for the RT company is for securing a good trade in value and, in WA state at least, the trade in value deducts from the retail price of the new RT boat that subsequently lessen the sales tax due. So let's say the trade in value is $160,000 then with the WA sales tax rate of 10.3% this reduces the sales tax on the new RT boat by $16,480. This of course can be saved potentially if the old RT boat is sold privately for $176,480. However, selling privately (along with the time it takes to find an owner and any hassles in bartering, and any broker's fee etc) will typically require a boat survey and possibly providing a new owner of the old boat with some kind of warranty or if not, then dealing with issues the new boat owner encounters.
 
I agree with the prior statements about the sales people you were talking to, don't walk, run! I would wager they have zero personal experience with a Ranger Tug. I have been playing with boats for over 60 years, I won't bore you with all the boats I have owned all the way up to 54 feet, sail and power. I surprised myself when we (me and the admiral) bought a Ranger Tug, wasn't sure I would like it and be able to live with the small size of it. I have to tell you we love it, it is a very fun boat. We have a little 25 SC and it has continued to please and surprise me and the admiral. The layout works well for the two of us, it has been comfortable and reliable. It has been excellent in nasty weather, better than I expected. It is easy to operate and tie up. Easy to keep clean and doesn't constantly take my time with things to fix. There are a few things I would change if I were building them, I would add raceways for wiring and plumbing and service loops on wiring and plumbing to improve service access. I would add something like Eco-Damp to the liner before assembly to quieten the boat down a little but overall there is not much I would change and I am a very fussy boat owner. Be sure to choose the boat which suits your needs and has enough room for the crew you plan to have aboard. We used to have three staterooms but don't need that any more because our kids all grew up and moved out a long time ago.
 
Chiming in: Tomorrow we are having a sea trial and inspection on a Ranger Tug because the seller bought a larger Ranger Tug after experiencing Ranger Tugs for a year. Wish us luck and best wishes to you in your decision making.
 
Anyone out there thinking about a Ranger Tugs 21 EC: Just had her out today in some pretty fierce winds and water for her sea trial. Our new to us wee 2013 21 EC behaved like a champ! We were rocking and a rolling when we left the dock and she just settled in like it was all in a day’s work for her. I felt very safe because her movements reminded me of a much larger Glasply cabin cruiser with flybridge we owned when we lived by the Straight of Juan de Fuca- capable! We are now officially Tugnuts and excited to join the Tugnut family.
 
Yea.... one of my enjoyments owning the R-21EC was the rocking&rolling it offered. It was truly one-with-the-water feeling. The chugging 30HP diesel was also music to my ears even though it was considered noisy by passengers. There's an affinity with all things on the R-21EC. 😀
 
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