Options for roof mounted tender...Saturn Kaboat ??
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Here what Bruce Moore posted earlier on.....
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I'll watch for the message, and look forward to seeing your pictures.
Cheers,
Bruce
Here what Bruce Moore posted earlier on.....
Getting a User Photo Album for your Ranger Tug is easy but it requires submitting a request from within the site structure.
1. Sign on to the site, if you aren't already.
2. Select the User Control Panel link from the upper left corner of any page. Note: On the home page, this link is in your user menu in the upper right.
3. Click the Usergroups tab, then select the radio button next to the User Albums group.
Scroll down, choose "Join selected" in the drop-down menu, and click the Submit button.
Once you do this, an email is automatically sent to the administrator (me). That message will trigger my ability to approve your request, and you'll receive an email indicating your membership in the User Albums group has been activated.
I'll watch for the message, and look forward to seeing your pictures.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Red Raven":1mlvd2ts said:
This is interesting comment that I don't think I have heard before. Am I understanding that you can get into the dingy then unclip it from the swim platform?
Jim
Yep.... we did this all the time with our Portland Pudgy on the R-25 swim step.
When deploying the Pudgy after it was lowered and swung to the water the Pudgy was left attached to the davits. We then boarded with the Pudgy being extremely stable (important for my wife who has Parkinson's and very bad balance). Once all aboard, we simply leaned the Pudgy toward the swim step so that we could release it from the spring loaded davits. Once cleared from the swim step I carefully removed the protruding Pudgy's male davit connectors and stowed them securely.
When returning Pudgy to the swim step we used the same technique in reverse to first attach the Pudgy to the swim step davits... it all was a very easy thing to do and provided a very stable method for getting into and out of the dinghy.
I see no reason why this same technique cannot be employed for other types of dinghies.
When deploying the Pudgy after it was lowered and swung to the water the Pudgy was left attached to the davits. We then boarded with the Pudgy being extremely stable (important for my wife who has Parkinson's and very bad balance). Once all aboard, we simply leaned the Pudgy toward the swim step so that we could release it from the spring loaded davits. Once cleared from the swim step I carefully removed the protruding Pudgy's male davit connectors and stowed them securely.
When returning Pudgy to the swim step we used the same technique in reverse to first attach the Pudgy to the swim step davits... it all was a very easy thing to do and provided a very stable method for getting into and out of the dinghy.
I see no reason why this same technique cannot be employed for other types of dinghies.
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Hi Jim,
It depends on the setup (height of clips and type of dinghy) and weight and number of passengers. With our dinghy setup my wife can climb in with it clipped. I then have her transfer her weight forward and aft to unclip each davit. I then climb in with it un-clipped as I push off. When we arrive back I can usually get one end clipped either prior to my exit or just as I climb out relieving my weight. My wife then shifts to the clipped end and I can the clip the second davit. She then can crawl out with it stable. We have swim platform rails, so that helps her exit as well. With more people it is more a challenge.
Curt
It depends on the setup (height of clips and type of dinghy) and weight and number of passengers. With our dinghy setup my wife can climb in with it clipped. I then have her transfer her weight forward and aft to unclip each davit. I then climb in with it un-clipped as I push off. When we arrive back I can usually get one end clipped either prior to my exit or just as I climb out relieving my weight. My wife then shifts to the clipped end and I can the clip the second davit. She then can crawl out with it stable. We have swim platform rails, so that helps her exit as well. With more people it is more a challenge.
Curt
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We have two pull cords on the Weaver Davit rings. We board with it clipped - it is rock solid and you can stand on the gunnels for boarding.
Once we are seated and ready to go, we each grab one pull cord, lean toward the davit and give it a tug.
I generally sail the Walker Bay off the davits - sure makes rigging an easy task.
Once we are seated and ready to go, we each grab one pull cord, lean toward the davit and give it a tug.
I generally sail the Walker Bay off the davits - sure makes rigging an easy task.
I don't know if this will work, but here is a link to the photos on Photobucket: http://s1096.photobucket.com/user/Bossa ... /Agua-viva
We used a Rhino 512 J rack, mounted it flush with the edge of the crossbar, and then opened it up to about 170 degrees (so the boat rides just a few inches above the solar panel). We decided to put it on the starboard side, so we have to rotate the antenna down to mount it from the side. Personally, I think it looks fine, and rides well up there without so much as a flicker at 30 mph. We may shift the solar panel over a few inches - still a bit of playing around until we're happy with it.
As we're suffering through Juneuary up here (13C overnight and raining on the weekend!), we didn't launch it - but I'll let you know how easy/difficult that is, once we've given it a test run. Pretty easy to toss it up there when we're at the dock, but of course the test will be when we're on the hook, or with a breeze.
It seems very well built and inflated with a single action pump (included) in about 10 minutes (although it did take us a few false starts until I figured out how to twist the center pin in the valve to engage the backflow valve). So far, very pleased.
We used a Rhino 512 J rack, mounted it flush with the edge of the crossbar, and then opened it up to about 170 degrees (so the boat rides just a few inches above the solar panel). We decided to put it on the starboard side, so we have to rotate the antenna down to mount it from the side. Personally, I think it looks fine, and rides well up there without so much as a flicker at 30 mph. We may shift the solar panel over a few inches - still a bit of playing around until we're happy with it.
As we're suffering through Juneuary up here (13C overnight and raining on the weekend!), we didn't launch it - but I'll let you know how easy/difficult that is, once we've given it a test run. Pretty easy to toss it up there when we're at the dock, but of course the test will be when we're on the hook, or with a breeze.
It seems very well built and inflated with a single action pump (included) in about 10 minutes (although it did take us a few false starts until I figured out how to twist the center pin in the valve to engage the backflow valve). So far, very pleased.
What was the size of the box that the Kaboat came in ?
Have you given any thought to having the Kaboat stowed upside down to avoid it collecting water sitting on top ?
Photos were good and sharp looking. The red is very vibrant. 🙂
Looking at the deflated Kaboat on the dockside in the photo where you started to pump it looks like it may fit on the foredeck flat down and either wrapped around from starboard to port or even folded once over and placed/laid down more so on the forward center part of the foredeck. I guess it could also be installed/stowed in a deflated state on top of the cabin inside a bag.
From the photos, the Kaboat looks quite long and big and with it sitting on top of the cabin the way you have it, it looks kind of enormous and a bit over powering for me to look at.... but no matter, what counts is how easy is it to deploy when out on the water.
If the Kaboat were to be stowed onboard in a deflated state how difficult would you say it would be to inflate it when out on the water away from dockside (I'm thinking if the Kaboat were to be stowed on foredeck in a deflated state before need to be used) ? Could it be laid out crosswise (starboard to port) in the cockpit with it sitting on the hand rails and then being inflated and eventually launched over the side ? .... this could be a possibility, right ?
How long did it take you to complete inflating the Kaboat with the hand pump ?
Were you able to lift and install the Kaboat on top of the cabin by yourself or did you require help ? What is the estimated weight ?
I assume paddles/oars come with the Kaboat.... are they collapsable and in how many sections, and what is the oar's unassembled length ?
Good job, and I must say the Kaboat does look substantial, sturdy with plenty of room..... I do like it, but wondering on how best to carry/stow it on our new 2018 R-27. With the R-27 being longer the Kaboat may not look so enormous sitting on top of the cabin 🙂 .... and maybe a better color IMO might be white or something close to being white.
Any idea how well the Kaboat will hold up to sun and UV over time ? I believe here are some covers offered for the Kaboat... http://alpineboats.com/parts-and-accessories/182-saturn-boat-covers-for-all-inflatable-boats.html
We now need some photos from you showing how well it rides in the water with at least two people onboard. Take some selfies.... :lol:
This KaBoat style is at the top of my short list for sure. I'm likely to go for a 12-footer as I really only need to have it accommodate 2 adults + a small 17 lb dog or 1 adult and two small children or just two children. Also, the 12-feet would fit better on top of the cabin and in addition be lighter for me to manage moving/lifting it about.
Thanks for sharing the photos..... good job. 🙂
Have you given any thought to having the Kaboat stowed upside down to avoid it collecting water sitting on top ?
Photos were good and sharp looking. The red is very vibrant. 🙂
Looking at the deflated Kaboat on the dockside in the photo where you started to pump it looks like it may fit on the foredeck flat down and either wrapped around from starboard to port or even folded once over and placed/laid down more so on the forward center part of the foredeck. I guess it could also be installed/stowed in a deflated state on top of the cabin inside a bag.
From the photos, the Kaboat looks quite long and big and with it sitting on top of the cabin the way you have it, it looks kind of enormous and a bit over powering for me to look at.... but no matter, what counts is how easy is it to deploy when out on the water.
If the Kaboat were to be stowed onboard in a deflated state how difficult would you say it would be to inflate it when out on the water away from dockside (I'm thinking if the Kaboat were to be stowed on foredeck in a deflated state before need to be used) ? Could it be laid out crosswise (starboard to port) in the cockpit with it sitting on the hand rails and then being inflated and eventually launched over the side ? .... this could be a possibility, right ?
How long did it take you to complete inflating the Kaboat with the hand pump ?
Were you able to lift and install the Kaboat on top of the cabin by yourself or did you require help ? What is the estimated weight ?
I assume paddles/oars come with the Kaboat.... are they collapsable and in how many sections, and what is the oar's unassembled length ?
Good job, and I must say the Kaboat does look substantial, sturdy with plenty of room..... I do like it, but wondering on how best to carry/stow it on our new 2018 R-27. With the R-27 being longer the Kaboat may not look so enormous sitting on top of the cabin 🙂 .... and maybe a better color IMO might be white or something close to being white.
Any idea how well the Kaboat will hold up to sun and UV over time ? I believe here are some covers offered for the Kaboat... http://alpineboats.com/parts-and-accessories/182-saturn-boat-covers-for-all-inflatable-boats.html
We now need some photos from you showing how well it rides in the water with at least two people onboard. Take some selfies.... :lol:
This KaBoat style is at the top of my short list for sure. I'm likely to go for a 12-footer as I really only need to have it accommodate 2 adults + a small 17 lb dog or 1 adult and two small children or just two children. Also, the 12-feet would fit better on top of the cabin and in addition be lighter for me to manage moving/lifting it about.
Thanks for sharing the photos..... good job. 🙂
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Wow!!! Aqua Viva, that has to be one of the best looking boats I have ever seen. Oh wait, I am biased ;-) We take delivery of our Ranger Blue with Red Stripe R23 July 3. Super glad to see that the boat looks so good.
I like the KaBoat mount on the top so will be following yours on this forum.
Nice looking boat!
Jim, Kelli, Jenna and the lab, Abby
I like the KaBoat mount on the top so will be following yours on this forum.
Nice looking boat!
Jim, Kelli, Jenna and the lab, Abby
jagizzi":1zhqwcpl said:
Congratulations! That's a fine looking boat you've ordered! 😀
We are absolutely loving it - surprisingly roomy, shockingly quiet, and so well-equipped (every weekend, I learn about one more amazing system, or nuance to the Garmin). I'm a sailor in a previous life and have come to the "dark side", which is really not that dark after all (OK, the trips to the gas dock are a bit more painful, but... so pleased to be back on the water!). And don't get me started on the decadence of remote-control autohelm in trolling mode...
I admit I have a bit of davit-envy - nothing like dropping a dinghy off the stern and stepping in - but it's a small price to pay for a roomy cockpit and a quiet ride with the outboard. I'm hoping to trial out the Kaboat launch and recovery on the next run. I'm sure we'll MacGuyver a suitable solution (I'm 5'2" and my husband is 6'2", but we'll be planning for the lowest common denominator when it comes to launch and load systems - i.e., ME).
I'll post our escapades re: launching and sea trial of the Jellyfish (the Kaboat's name) once I'm back in town and have a long weekend on the boat. So far, I think it's a pretty good option for a family of three (and for you, with a lab, going ashore isn't really a choice, but more of a necessity).
baz":2gz1r5an said:
Thanks for your comments - I should have taken photos of it in the storage bag. I think the packed specs are on line, but if I remember, I'll take photos of the storage bag next time I'm down on the boat.
We will definitely be exploring the option of upside down vs right side up, but for now, I pulled the drain plug. A moment of bow-up before planing was enough to empty out any rainwater from the weekend. I would be concerned about the seats catching on the roof if I were to slide it upside down on the roof from the stern, but we'll try out a number of different loading and unloading options to see which one works out the best.
It only took about 10 min with a single action pump to fill it (OK, true confessions here - my HUSBAND did all the hard work 😳 ) but we did have a couple of false starts, as I couldn't figure out how to engage the backflow valve (fyi - rotate the inner pin before you fill to engage the flap valve).
The boat weighs 57 lb - we have scoped out a few different loading methods, but haven't tried them out yet. It comes with two-piece oars - not sure of the length. I'm planning to get a (long) kayak paddle. Google youtube videos on the Kaboat - there's some great river adventurers who take them into formidable conditions.
The 27 should dwarf a 14' kaboat - I was just pleased that it doesn't hang over the cabin on the 23'. We may get a Thule box for extended cruising, and want to keep the solar panel exposed, so this seemed to be the best option for us. And oh, I do like vibrant red! 😀
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Google: "adjustable J Rhino Racks"
Aqua viva:
See this posting that shows how a hoisting davit can be used to raise & lower a cabin roof located dinghy. It's pretty darn snazzy if you ask me. 🙂
http://www.tugnuts.com/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27465
See this posting that shows how a hoisting davit can be used to raise & lower a cabin roof located dinghy. It's pretty darn snazzy if you ask me. 🙂
http://www.tugnuts.com/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27465
baz":15b9x3ed said:
The rack that I purchased is the Rhino Folding J Style Kayak s512 - they come with 4 straps, but the ones that are normally used to secure the kayak to the rack are too short, so I used the straps that are normally used to secure the ends to the hood and trunk of a car. I'll be playing with the hoist/deployment system over the next month or so.
I'm struggling with having the Kaboat inflated and stowed on top of the cabin. vs. having it stowed in its bag and placed inside or even on the transom platform adjacent to the transom door. There are times when I cruise about and will not be needing the use of the Kaboat as well to think about.
Given that it takes around 10 mins to inflate I'm apt to forego having it permanently stowed on top of the cabin. Not having it always inflated and exposed to the elements means I have more options as well as reducing the aging aspects of the inflatable when constantly exposed to the weather and sunshine UV.
I may go with the Rino and have them on top so as to be ready when I know I will need the Kaboat ready and waiting for a specific cruise.
Before making a final decision I will check out how easy it will be to inflate the Kaboat when on the water and this would likely be when stationary at a marina, anchored in a bay or attached to a mooring buoy.
Looking at the space on the 2018 R-27's rear platform I believe the Kaboat's carry bag should fit up against the transom door on starboard side. It can be located there after all are onboard and getting ready to caste off.
Given that it takes around 10 mins to inflate I'm apt to forego having it permanently stowed on top of the cabin. Not having it always inflated and exposed to the elements means I have more options as well as reducing the aging aspects of the inflatable when constantly exposed to the weather and sunshine UV.
I may go with the Rino and have them on top so as to be ready when I know I will need the Kaboat ready and waiting for a specific cruise.
Before making a final decision I will check out how easy it will be to inflate the Kaboat when on the water and this would likely be when stationary at a marina, anchored in a bay or attached to a mooring buoy.
Looking at the space on the 2018 R-27's rear platform I believe the Kaboat's carry bag should fit up against the transom door on starboard side. It can be located there after all are onboard and getting ready to caste off.
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You may have seen the pics in my album with the Saturn Kajak on top. The plan is the make some arms, attached to the bars across the roof. Those arms are below the boat and allow it to be flipped over and then they reach over the side and hold the boat. Then a small winch lowers the boat down to the water. Just have to figure out the mechanics