Prop speed

Steeldieman

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Fluid Motion Model
C-24 C
Non-Fluid Motion Model
Cutwater 28
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Katy A
Due to a some recent damage my prop is in the shop.
The question I have for Cutwater 28 operators is, what rpm do you top out at with full tanks and 500 pounds on board in mild weather?
 
around 3200 - 3300 for me on a volvo d4
 
This is an interesting subject that is not always understood. Correct prop sizing for meeting Engine manufactures specifications. Most boat owners rely on the boat manufacturer to make the right call and prop the boat correctly.On average the boat manufacture does a good job. When the manufacturer designs a boat part of the design is how much power is going to be needed to push it. Normally the designed cruise speed should be no more than ( 80% load). The manufacture Sea trials the boat with a light load and confirms it meets the WOT specifications. Examples D3 220hp is rated @ 4000 rpm, minimum 3900rpm recommended, Max RPM 4150. D4 Volvo 260 is rated @ 3500RPM minimum 3400 recommended max rpm 3600. The marine engine is always under a load and propping properly is a very important component of maintaining the longevity of these high HP small displacement engines.


Quote from Tony Athens:
Proper propping of a vessel cannot be stressed enough, will typically only come some time after the vessel has settled in to “its” normal running conditions, and then only with an understanding by the vessel operator of the engine’s operating requirements published by the engine manufacturer. But in addition to that, is the understanding that adding some conservatism, “PRUDENT OPERATION”, to these operating conditions by not running “on the edge” of these requirements, can mean the difference between 500 hours between catastrophic failures, and 5000 hours of relatively glitch free operation for the same engine.
The easiest and most proven way to accomplish this “conservatism” is by propping the vessel at full working weight to rated RPM plus 100 to 200 rpm** when using these types of diesels that develop upwards of 50-60 HP per liter.( D3 220 hp 2.4 L = 91 hp per liter)( D4 260hp 3.7L = 70 hp per Liter and D4 300hp = 81 hp per liter.) It’s actually very simple when you understand the whole picture of vessel operation and all of the variables that occur on the ocean over time.

When we purchased our C26 and Sea Trialed, the boat performance was as advertised 4150 20.5kts Full fuel full water but we had not moved in yet so really no equipment on board. As equipment has been added and more supplies added for extended cruising, heavier batteries, dingy, outboard, extra" this and that" I'm down to 3980 rpm WOT good sea's, now add 2' sea's and some wind and I'm going to be below 3900 rpm. I don't run WOT but The WOT rpm gauges the load on the engine through out the rpm range. You can't down shift in a boat. A boat power plant is always climbing a steep hill. When it is propped right it can maintain climbing for years. If the max RPM is lower then the manufacturers specification the hill just got steeper and the need to down shift is present. Down shifting is only achieved by propping in a boat.

I like Tony's rule, prop the boat the way you have it equipped give some extra room in the rpm range for the times you are in worsen sea conditions or extra passengers on board. The engine manufactures provides max RPM specifications for a reason.

I'm going to finish this season with the present sized prop. I normally advance to WOT for a short period of time each time out to see max rpm. I will have the prop tuned this winter based on my data or purchase a spare with different specs. I'm shooting for 4100 WOT loaded the way we cruise.
 
So Brian, if I take the history of my prop speed at 3350 and use the information from your friend who has similar information along with the earlier post on this thread it seems to me that my experience is in the normal range of the factory set up. The question I have is way would you have such a faster prop? Your prop is smaller?
 
I found this post on TugNuts MartyC. But this is the specs he used.

I had about the same situation with my 2016 C28 as Stuart did. When the boat was new and Volvo did the initial check out we only turned 3370 with 3 people and very little gear on board. On our last trip to NW, with the boat loaded for cruising, we were only turning about 3250 WOT. ACME suggested re pitching from 23 to 21 to get the rpms close to 3500. We sent our new spare prop to Performance Propeller in Soddy Daisy, TN. They did a great job. We now turn 3500-3540 WOT.

This is from a post here on Tugnuts. Same boat as yours.
 
With a reworked prop I was able to reach 3410 rpm at wot . I ran this in 1/3 foot seas on Lake Michigan with full fuel and water and one adult aboard. I had trim In starboard side and was able to achieve this in about two minutes and didn’t run wot longer than that. I’m happy with that
 
I just completed my C28, D4 Volvo Commissioning at my boatyard two weeks ago. We ran out in calm seas, half load of fuel, 3 people onboard and basically no gear. We ran at WOT for extended periods into and downwind. The C28 achieved 3540 RPM at 28.5Kts. The vessel performed nicely. I have now run it for extended offshore cruises with full fuel, full water, and gear, plus, with my Dinghy hooked up on the swim platform with its Weaver setup and 6 hp Yamaha. The boat appears to be comfortable at around 2850 to 2950 range at around 18kts. This weekend was in 2 foot chop at 6 seconds, winds 10 to 15 with 20 knot gusts for about 35 nautical miles. Before I launched this vessel, I had "Prop Speed" applied to the prop and rest of the running gear. I have had good luck with this product. We averaged about 7.3 gallons per gallon.
 
wow thats fast.

2800 for me is almost off plane and about 15knots

I think I have more gear onboard
 
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