R-21EC cutlass bearing and engine mounts c/out

Newf

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R-21 EC
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Saltwater Joy
I am going to be replacing the cutlass/cutless bearing and the engine mounts in the next 3-4 weeks, if the rain stops, and I'm just in the process of gathering up a few things. I will replace the packing in the stuffing box at the same time. (2014 R21EC)
I have replaced engine mounts before but this will be my first cutlass bearing.

A couple of questions:
-assuming the coupling comes off of the shaft OK and I can re-use it, should I be coating the shaft with any type of anti-seize before reinstalling the coupling? Is it necessary and does it help with re-installation of the coupling?

-any preference for the type of stuffing box packing that I should be looking at?

-with the shaft out, is there anything else I should take a look at?

-with respect to the engine mounts I am anticipating a couple of stripped holes when I remove the lag bolts. Without plugging and re-drilling the holes are there any other options, like filling with epoxy and screwing lag bolts in again? Didn't want to move engine around to get access to drill the holes if I don't have too.

Thanks in advance for any feedback..
 
Newf, I can only reply as to the packing, I would recommend Palmetto Packing they sell a marine grade flax with PTFE. I use there products in my irrigation pumps and seem to get three times the life of other packing. Good luck and keep us posted as I'm sure we all will be doing the same in the future
Bob
 
If your mounting holes are not holding you should really clean out any material that is not in good shape and then repair hole with epoxy and re-drill hole.
 
Newf":3mm5otfu said:
-assuming the coupling comes off of the shaft OK and I can re-use it, should I be coating the shaft with any type of anti-seize before reinstalling the coupling? Is it necessary and does it help with re-installation of the coupling?

Removal and installation of the coupling on a double taper shaft. I assume that the R21 has a double taper shaft. The larger Rangers and Cutwaters do. The coupling removal from the shaft will be similar to the prop removal from the shaft. It will require the removal of the retaining nut and " Popping" the coupling off the shaft taper. If there is room using a puller will work the same way as using a puller to remove the prop. (If there is room is ) The big question. There isn't in my boat. There are several methods that can be used to loosen the coupling from the taper. All will be a PIA in tight quarters. You will have to determine which is best in your application. I believe when the day comes for me to do cutlass, packing replacement and motor mounts I will find a good reason to pull the engine.

When you get the coupling off and the shaft pulled out of the log. Place the shaft in V blocks on your bench. Clean the shaft then inspect the area's where the cutlass bearing "rides" ,the packing, and the 2 tapered ends of the shaft. If you have a dial indicator check the shaft runout. If the shaft looks good it is time to refit the components to it. I use fine grit lapping compound. Apply a thin layer on the shaft taper slide the coupling on the shaft. With light pressure turn the coupling to 3 o'clock and then back to 12 o'clock. Remove the coupling and look at the shaft. If there are high spots you will see them. If you see a few high spots lap the coupling to the shaft until it appears to have a uniform fit. Repeat this with the prop to shaft taper. Once the taper fits are good install the coupling with a thin coat of oil, slide it on the shaft ,mark the shaft where the coupling draw ends on the shaft. Remove the coupling and fit the key. You want the coupling to land at the same spot with the key installed. This insures the key is not interfering with the taper fit. Repeat this with the prop to taper shaft. Next fit your new cutlass bearing to the shaft. Slide the bearing on to the shaft. Place the bearing where it will ride on the shaft when installed in the log. Use a feeler gauge to measure the clearance Minimum .003 max .008 clearance for a 3/4 " to 1 1/4" shaft. The shaft is ready for install.

Removal of the cutlass bearing will require a slam hammer with inside jaws. Removal of the set screws. When the bearing is removed and the packing stuffing box and hose. Inspect the bore of fiberglass log for cracks, blistering and damage.

The easiest place to service the packing gland is at the work bench. Remove the old packing, remove the hose, clean the exterior of the gland, interior bore of the gland, clean and dress the threads. Cut the packing lengths using the shaft sitting in the V blocks on the bench as your guide. Install the packing in the bore of the gland. Packing material can be purchased from Ranger parts or Marine hardware. This is the description of the product Marine Hardware uses (A high-tech non-asbestos composite fiber impregnated with virgin PTFE in-suspension and internally saturated with a proprietary lubricant.) Ranger uses Marine Hardware stuffing boxes. After repacking install a new hose and clamps for installation.

Motor mount installation and anchor hold down fasteners. If you find the lags bolts are stripped out and the wood appears to be in good shape. The easiest fix is install larger diameter lag bolts. If the lags are 5/16 replace with 3/8, 3/8 replace 7/16 or 1/2". If you need to enlarge the mounting holes at the base of the mounts slightly this can be done before installation.

I do recommend using an epoxy wood penetrating sealant ( get rot) or Total Boat products work well, dry the holes before the application and let the epoxy sealant cure before installing the lags. Use a good marine sealant to prevent water from migrating into the stringer in the future.

If you find the wood to be rotten and the wood wet and damaged. Removal of the engine would make the job easier. The advantage of having a smaller engine is it is light and easily removed. I believe the D1 weighs just over 300 lbs with the gear. After removal of the engine the proper repairs to the stringer can be made. I have used oak dowel rods for repairing damaged stringer motor mount holes. Example 3/8 lag stripped out, wood rotted, drill 5/8 hole, dry the wood, saturate the wood with epoxy and drive a 5/8" dowel rod into the hole sealing with epoxy. Let this cure, pre-drill 1/4" in the center of the installed 5/8 dowel rod. Use new 3/8 lag bolts with sealant to anchor engine mounts. If you do remove the engine I would install all the shaft hardware before installing the engine you will have more room. Final step is engine alignment and packing gland adjustment. Once you are done with this project you will be good for another 2000 hrs of use.

The question should you put grease on the coupling or prop at the mating surface of the shaft? A mechanical engineer will say NO Greasing is detrimental to the friction.The friction between the tapers. That being said I always apply a thin layer of anti-corrosion grease on the shaft taper. I have never had an issue with a prop or coupling coming loose from a taper. Right or wrong !!!
Good luck with your project.
 
Thanks for the feedback folks.

Thanks for the detailed summary BB marine. I really appreciate it. Will let you know how it goes.
 
Finally got around to getting this done. Lots of delays with rain and snow etc. Overall it went well. I didn't have proper pullers but was able to make up a couple from scrap material I had in the garage. The prop popped off of the shaft fairly easily but took a bit more effort to pop the coupling off the other end. Removing the batteries and battery box certainly provided better access for the coupling removal and reinstallation.

The cutlass bearing came out easily with the puller I made. I've seen cases where guys had to cut them with a saw but this one came without an issue. Was able to pull the new one back in with the same puller. There was only minimal wear on the cutlass bearing rubber but since I was replacing the engine mounts I wanted to start with all new. The rubber was starting to separate from the brass sleeve on one end but would have lasted I think for another year or so for sure.

I replaced the hose on the stuffing box. The one that was there looked OK but was a wet exhaust hose so I replaced it with the heavier Buck Algonquin hose. I made it a bit longer than the original hose so that I would have better access to the packing nut for future adjustments and packing changeout. Also replaced the 304-SS hose clamps with 316-SS clamps.

I installed a different engine mount than the originals. I had about 1400hr on my first set and then the 2nd set started to show cracking and separation in the rubber at about 4-500hrs so I decided to try something different. I went with the "Poly Flex" brand so I hope they stand up a little better.

Fired the engine up today on the hard and everything looks good. I was worried about higher vibration through the hull as the new mounts seems to be a little stiffer but I didn't feel or see any noticeable difference.

Will get the boat in the water in the next few days for final engine/shaft alignment and adjustments to the stuffing box.
 
BBmarine,,Forgot to mention that your detailed post was most useful for a 1st timer. Thanks so much.
 
Awesome! Please keep me posted on how the motor mounts work out. I will probably replace mine this year so if you have a part number to share, I’d appreciate it.
 
TylerFromEverett":ybc5o92g said:
Awesome! Please keep me posted on how the motor mounts work out. I will probably replace mine this year so if you have a part number to share, I’d appreciate it.

Had the boat out yesterday and found at trolling RPM's of 850-900rpm's there is slightly higher vibration through the hull than previous. Not what I wanted, given that I spend 90% of the time with my boat, fishing and trolling at those RPM's. It's nothing that I can't live with but I was hoping for the same or a reduction.

There was noticeable much less movement in the engine itself at low RPM's but I guess than energy/enertia has to go somewhere. I would also say that at higher RPM's it is smoother and quieter than before.

I added a screen shot of the Data Sheet for the mount to my Engine Mount photo album. If you zoom on the photo you will see that the poly insert in the mounts comes in 3 shore hardnessess, 50,60 and 70. I have the mounts with the 60, which was recommended by the supplier for my type of use. Maybe the 50 shore hardness would be better.

I will see how these hold up over time. If you do replace yours this year and use something totally different please let us know what you went with and how they perform.

I also added a few photos of the cutlass bearing c/out. I added them in sort of the sequence that I did the work but they did not upload into the album in proper order so I labeled them C1 to C13 to follow what I did.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

Newf.
 
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