R23 Tug

dsherburn

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Starting to look at Ranger 23's. I had settled on the Outboard version but have found some decent deals on 23's with the Volvo D3 I/O. I actually like a diesel and speed isn't a big deal but I would welcome any input from those who have the Volvo Penta D3-170 in their boats. Reliability, performance, etc.
Thank you in advance!
Dan Sherburn
Michigan
 
Greetings,
I'm fairly new to boating so perhaps some of the others can chime in. My first boat was the 21, it was great for the Hudson River. I ventured out more and realized I needed a bigger boat with more power. I am a proud owner of a Ranger Tug 23 Diesel. The diesels last longer and are more durable, I like the traditional Ranger Tug look. The outboards are faster and still look great and at times you will not deal with the noise of the diesel. I have taken her up and down the Hudson River, Piscataqua River in New Hampshire, the Gulf of Maine, Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard and New York Harbor. She runs great and aside from some new boat issues, I have no complaints. I was told only 5 Ranger Tug 23 Diesels were made, so in my opinion she's a classic. It comes down to what your style is and what you will be doing with the boat. Either way you will not be disappointed, they are great well made boats.

JJF
 
We have the outboard but have friends with the diesel. They traveled with the fast boats to Desolation Sound and had no problems keeping up with us. They get better mileage, 3.0 to our 2.1 I believe, at speed. Noisier though, loss of the center cockpit for storage and I would argue about engine longevity. The Yamahas have been around forever. Diesel $850 for annual service, outboard $450.

Tough choice.
 
I have a D3 in a C26 so its not a close comparison but I will post some specs and opinions.

* Performance, put the positive on the Outboard. The Yamaha 200 hp is considerably lighter then the Volvo D3 sterndrive 170hp. Yamaha 200 weighs 489lbs, Volvo D3 sterndrive 800lbs. There is some additional weight added to the R23 outboard model because of the transom motor extension bracket which will most likely make up most of the weight difference. 200hp having 30 hp more and the engine mounted further aft equates to a faster boat when comparing apple to apple boats. I do belief the Volvo diesel will stand tall at midrange planing speeds.

* Fuel economy put the positive on the Diesel. Both outboard model and diesel stern drive models will need approximately the same Hp to plane and cruise. If it takes 120 hp to plane and maintain a planning cruise speed the diesel economy will be much better. On average 1 GPH of Gas makes 12hp, 1GPH of diesel makes 18hp. If 2 R23, Gas and diesel, are running side by side same speed, using 120 hp to maintain that speed, Gas engine is burning 10 gph, diesel engine is burning 6.7gph

* longevity and reliability, there are way to many variables that go into this equation. The longevity will probably go to the diesel. Only reason I say that is the outboard needs to spin up more rpm to develop the HP. More rotational cycles equals more wear. Both engines are very close in displacement 2.8L Yamaha, 2.4L D3. Both engines are aluminum blocks with iron
sleeves. Both engines are electronically control managed, ( Reliant on electronics). Common rail diesels are not the simple diesels of pre 90's, but the hp developed in the same displacement is double.

* Safety, put the positive with the diesel. Although the Outboard is not in the bilge increasing the safety factor over a inboard mounted gas engine there is still Gasoline carried on board. The R23 has a lot of electrical devises, I assume all ABYC approved and properly installed. My biggest concern ( my opinion) with Gas on board the outboard version Rangers and Cutwaters is the poor ventilation system installed. If there was a fuel leak on board there isn't much ventilation to extract the fumes and most of that ventilation actually vents into the cockpit. The only exception is a boat with a generator but even that has limited exhaust ventilation for the size of the boats below deck area.

* Noise, The outboard wins this hands down. The newer 4 stroke outboards are quiet and well balanced engines. The diesels are not loud but have the traditional inboard sound. I notice at certain rpm's the sound from turbo and engine vibration is more noticeable so I just avoid those speeds. I personally like the traditional sound of the diesel inboard.

* Maintenance, I have owned both 4 stroke outboards and now the D3 diesel. I maintain my engines so labor is not in the equation. I always use OEM parts with the exception of oil. The Volvo parts are slightly higher in cost but not significat. Volvo diesel dealers are not nearly as abundant as Yamaha outboard dealers. I could go on about the Volvo diesel dealer network but that is another story. As far as maintenance, warranty and service work while cruising. From my experience the Yamaha would be the positive.

* Which is better? It's all up to what you want. I think if you weighed the positives and negatives you would find them right in the middle. My next boat after finishing our segmented Loop adventure will probably be an outboard powered boat again.

Dan, this is my opinions on the differences D3 compared to 200 hp Yamaha. The diesel common rail high HP small displacement engines can not be compared to the mechanical rack, simple, large displacement, low rpm, lower HP diesels from the past. The D3 under normal operating conditions is a 3000 hr engine. I think if you look at the boating market right now more larger boat manufactures are swinging toward the outboard market with the longevity of the outboards being a close comparable to the new high hp diesels.
 
BB marine":33mz934i said:
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* longevity and reliability, there are way to many variables that go into this equation. The longevity will probably go to the diesel. Only reason I say that is the outboard needs to spin up more rpm to develop the HP. More rotational cycles equals more wear. Both engines are very close in displacement 2.8L Yamaha, 2.4L D3. Both engines are aluminum blocks with iron
sleeves. Both engines are electronically control managed, ( Reliant on electronics). Common rail diesels are not the simple diesels of pre 90's, but the hp developed in the same displacement is double.
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I think while the OB will need to rev higher, this is countered by the higher working pressures required in a diesel engine.

I expect that the overall longevity are similar on the powerplant are similar when you compare a modern OB with a modern small block diesel.
 
Brian-Thank you for the detailed response. Whereas I like the Ranger Tugs I have been looking at the Cutwaters as well. I have ruled out the gas I/O's and will focus my search on the OB's or the diesel versions.
 
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